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whenever you introduce somebody like

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this guy you look for the superlatives

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and salient points and you don't have to

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look too far to find him he's a

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broadcast journalist par excellence many

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Sundays you'll hear him on coast to

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coast but even more than that he's got

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fire in the belly to get the real story

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as opposed to just the first story that

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falls to hand join me in extending the

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most warm welcome here mr. George Knapp

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thank you everyone so let me start off

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actually I didn't forget it I didn't

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want to bring it and Tim said it was

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okay so I've always wanted to make a

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presentation dressed like this because

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this is how I dress at home most of the

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time when I'm not work and besides I'm

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in an alien parade today so I don't want

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to be wearing a suit and tie it's

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terrific to be invited back here you

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know to McMinnville I I started lobbying

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to be reinvented back here about a

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minute after I finished the presentation

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the last time I was here I lobbying

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isn't the right word groveling is more

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like it because I it's it is so much fun

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you know I retired from the UFO

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conference scene

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more than three years ago I just had had

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enough of it you know you go to the same

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conferences there's the same people

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presenting the same stuff and it was a

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waste of my time and then you get in all

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the arguments with the crazies who are

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committed to this position or that

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position or that conspiracy and I had

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enough so I said that's it but I I knew

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at the time that there was one

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conference that could bring me out of my

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underground bunker one conference that

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would get me back on the scene and that

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but the Tahiti folks haven't called

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so actually McMinnville is the one I

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mean this is the most fun conference and

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I've been to him all over the world for

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the last 30 years there's nothing close

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there's nothing close to and it's so

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much fun the attitude of the folks who

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are here is so healthy and inquisitive

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and and I have been trying to convince

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him to go ahead and start an i-team of

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his own so I could move to McMinnville I

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mean McMenamin they save old buildings

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and restore them that's a passion of

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mine they they make beer they make wine

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they roast coffee and they put on a UFO

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conference I need to work for these

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so it's it's an exciting time for the

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UFO topic big things are underway I

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think my friend Jeremy Korbel was

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talking about it the other night for

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those of you who are here about all

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these different acronyms and programs

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and you could think about I know it

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seems like progress is slow and we get

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frustrated that more information doesn't

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come out about UFOs in general but Wow a

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lot of stuff has happened here since

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last October last October on a stage in

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Seattle a guy named Lou Elizondo stepped

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forward and said the fact is the US

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government has been studying UFOs it

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never stopped in 1969 as we were told

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when Project Blue Book ended they of

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course they've been studying it you know

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there are intrusions over national

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security facilities encounters with US

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military so we've always suspected that

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they were studying it and Lou came

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forward and said not only are we

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studying it but I was in charge of it

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and I resigned because it's not good

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getting enough of a priority that's

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that's a really big deal and then two

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months after that in December the New

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York Times breaks a story about the

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program that Lou had been in charge of

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they kind of confused things a little

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bit about the 22 million dollars that

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have been spent by the Pentagon because

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in fact that money had gone to another

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program all SAP that has distinct

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connections to Las Vegas as all UFO

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stories seems to have seemed to have

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there is a trail of breadcrumbs from

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just about any UFO story you could

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imagine not only to Las Vegas and Bob

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Bigelow but also to skinwalker ranch

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will be which we'll be talking about

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today in addition to the revelations

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about a tip and all SAP there's a lot of

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other information that's been dribbling

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out we did a story last night you didn't

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see it because it's it's in Las Vegas TV

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but about the tic-tac you up out those

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videos were released people complained

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about them but just what we UFO folks do

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there are too grainy we don't they're

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not long enough we don't know what it is

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and maybe it's a bird maybe it's a

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balloon well it's not a bird and it's

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not a balloon and it's not another

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airplane it's something from somewhere

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else it does things that we can't do and

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I was able to release a report

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was written for the DIA and the Pentagon

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that analyzed all the sensor data that

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shows beyond any question that these

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crafts are do things that we can't do

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it's an exciting time I know there is

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frustration and that we want more

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information in fact we want all of it

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and we want it now it's coming and and

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then there and the if you think about

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the progress that's been made in the

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last eight months it's just it's just

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incredible as I said I think all roads

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one way or another lead to Las Vegas and

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to skinwalker ranch it's in Utah which

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is what we're gonna talk about today and

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I am I don't think I'm exaggerating and

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saying that it is the strangest place on

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earth at least the strangest place on

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earth that has been studied it is the

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most intensely studied paranormal UFO

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hotspot in the world and it hasn't just

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been studied once it's been studied

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twice which we'll cover tonight Robert

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Bigelow the he's described as shadowy

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billionaire CIA front he's in the tea

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business he's in he's a casino owner

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he's a drug runner all kinds of crazy

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stories is has spent more money pursuing

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UFOs paranormal psychic phenomena than

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any person in the history of the world

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and he bought bought this property and

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we're gonna get into why he bought it in

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a couple of minutes but he installed

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scientists on therefore there were there

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he owned it for 20 years

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the scientists were there for seven or

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eight years 24/7 either they were there

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or had cameras there and they tried to

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figure out what the heck was going on

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this place has a history of really

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strange activity and they were doing

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what scientists are supposed to do and

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they basically have caught nothing but

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grief for it ever since it is a UFO

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hotspot this is a UFO conference based

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on you know the McMinnville photos and

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and the legacy of this area and so we

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will talk about UFOs but this is not

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really a UFO story it's much bigger than

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that much broader and it the reality of

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what happened at that ranch at that

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property suggests that there is a

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connection between UFOs a lot of other

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things that people categorize as

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paranoia

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what that connection is well maybe we

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can explore that together to try to

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figure it out it's almost like the UFOs

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are the shiny bauble that is used to

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sort of lure us into the dark forest

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where other kinds of murky beings reside

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so I wrote a book about it with colum

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Kelleher in 2005 it's called hunt for

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the skinwalker which is the same title

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as Jeremy's film that we'll get into in

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a moment and the reason I wrote the book

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is actually I had started the project as

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a documentary as a documentary film Bob

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Bigelow bought that property in 1996

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which we'll get into further in a moment

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and basically shut it down he had his

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scientists in there and they were not

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releasing information they didn't want

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it to be overrun by UFO folks or crazy

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people or or whatever they wanted to be

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able to study it and they expanded the

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study and and tried to get information

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from people who live in the general area

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but they didn't really want to publicize

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it well I'm hearing all this information

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as it goes along because I'm friends

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with Bob and and I got to know his staff

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at knids and and so I'm seeing all this

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wild stuff that's going on but I can't

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tell anybody about it and around 2000

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they allowed me to start visiting the

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property I brought along a photographer

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each time we had visited we would shoot

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interviews with the scientists who are

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working on the project with neighbors

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with eyewitnesses who had seen strange

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things documenting what I thought would

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be a really great film around 2003 after

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sort of it the word about the ranch is

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kind of getting out there being overrun

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by trespassers and drunks and partiers

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and and UFO crazies and so he said

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please don't put that out so I didn't so

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I buried it

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and we had the tapes and all the

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materials in boxes but I kept pestering

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them much as jeremy has pestered me that

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I really would like to get it out

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someday around 2003 the activity at the

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ranch had declined to such a degree that

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the knids folks Bigelow and dr. colum

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Kelleher had figured well what do we got

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to lose

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we'll let you go ahead and write some

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articles not do the documentary but

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right some articles without any photos

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for the place so you don't make it

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easier for people to find it and I did

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and we put him in a little newspaper a

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weekly paper in Las Vegas and this thing

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went all over the world suddenly these

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stories were out that people did not

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know they had heard some of it there had

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been some news reports back in 1996

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about cattle mutilations and lights in

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the sky but the kinds of things that

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that were described in that report were

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way way beyond standard UFOs and cattle

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mutilations really truly bizarre stuff

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that we're going to talk about today and

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then in 2005 Bigelow said well go ahead

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and release the book

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the idea was needs hoped that by having

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some publicity about these kinds of hot

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spots that we might get some input from

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other places other people in other

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regions that would say hey we've got

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something similar that here why don't

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you guys come and investigate and then

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knids would have something else to do we

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did get information or they got

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information about it but it it never led

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to any further studies that teams would

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go out and look at these other hot spots

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Yakima Sedona Dulce New Mexico for

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example and they spent a lot of time on

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the ground but it never evolved into the

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kind of study that happened at the

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skinwalker ranch so needs folded its

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10th it the organization dissolved in

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right around 2004-2005 because the

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activity at the ranch had gone

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underground what we learned later though

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and I was not able to talk about this

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either is that a new study began 2008

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and it was funded by you it was funded

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by American taxpayers and it was

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conducted at the suggestion of the

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Defense Intelligence Agency the DIA and

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so for a couple of years their

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government-funded investigators some of

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the same people who had worked for needs

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were on the property investigating the

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paranormal UFOs and a whole bunch of

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other stuff that are way beyond what you

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would think a normal UFO or government

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study would be interested in I want to

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give you a sense of sort of a sense of

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what the ranch is like in

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you know that the book we put out and

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had no photos for reasons that I just

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mentioned and and the documentary

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project that we started long ago was

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shelved

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Jeremy Korbel has been pestering me for

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a long time to may be revive it and when

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Bob Bigelow sold the property in 2016

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and a new owner came in I was sort of

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relieved of my promise that I wouldn't

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put this stuff out so we we started

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working on it it's that the new film

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were proud proud of it it's not out yet

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but will be soon it's two films it's the

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story of the original stuff that I shot

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and never showed to anyone and it's also

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the new stuff that Jeremy has has

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acquired interviews with people who

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would never come forward before and it's

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kind of exciting so I want to show you a

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clip that give you a sense of where

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we're heading here it was dead night out

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of nowhere that weird flash and you see

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that look at that that's amazing there

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is some kind of intelligence operating

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here and you're not allowed to talk

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about it this is like the area 51 of the

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paranormal going public now

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it is perhaps the most important

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scientific effort of our time the

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Pentagon and CIA they've been

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investigating encounters with the

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paranormal at the ranch we're talking

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about unidentified flying objects UFOs

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the program received more than 20

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million dollars for its work this is a

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potential threat a grave one to our

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country and everybody who lives there

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knows about something is here something

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that the government's doing right above

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my head and I could hit it with a tennis

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they should not have vanished but they

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vanished we are on the eve of something

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momentous well any of the fingers be

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Declassified videos an authentic

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Department of Defense footage published

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[Applause]

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so that's a little taste of what the

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films gonna look like and some of the

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things that are in that and some of the

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things that we'll talk about today and

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they're over the next two hours I've

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never been able to talk about in public

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before because the best thing was secret

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you know it was a government project and

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while I was aware of it because of my

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friendships were the people who were

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involved I was under a I didn't have to

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sign anything no one is gonna throw me

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in jail but I would violate a confidence

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which for a journalist that's your your

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stock-in-trade that's what that's how

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you learn stuff people tell you things

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on the condition that you don't spill it

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immediately and and that has served me

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very well over the years and the story

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about the ranch I mean I knew about it

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since 1996

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I never went public till 2003 the story

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of the bast study I had known about it

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since it started around 2008 actually a

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little bit in 2007 but we didn't make it

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public until this year so sometimes just

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by being patient and hanging on you get

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to learn a lot of stuff people tell you

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stuff if they think they can trust you

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and I know that puts me in a category of

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being in league with the evil cabal

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government or something but you know Oh

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I'll deal with that somehow I thought I

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would tell you some stories that we have

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not discussed in public and some stories

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that I have told in public before

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because not everyone here I think has

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heard about the ranch but in 1994 the

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property in question had been vacant for

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seven years nobody lived on it there the

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will show you what the ranch looks like

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here a little bit but this family moved

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in we call him in the book the Gorman's

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their real name has been well known it's

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been released by other people the reason

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that we stick with it is because we made

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an agreement

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they weren't going to use the real name

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they were gonna tell anybody and I

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honored that agreement so in the book

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when column I wrote it we didn't use

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their real name you could find it if you

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wanted to look for it we stuck with

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Gorman so that's the name I'm going to

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use even though some of you may know

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what the real name is dad is a an

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educated man college educated he's an

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expert in Simmons Hall artificial

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insemination raising these special

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cattle

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he's an expert marksman and hunter just

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a real solid guy his wife we call her

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Ellen I think in the book is the vice

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president of a bank in town also

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educated smart solid solid as a rock the

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two kids were both straight-a students a

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boy and a girl just a solid family they

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buy this property in northeastern Utah

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and it's their dream property it's 480

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acres it's a beautiful place and they

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are unloading their stuff on the very

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first day on the property they have some

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calves in the corral and they look out

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across the pasture and they see this

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large beast

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it's a canine is it a dog they're

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looking at it trying to figure it out no

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it's a it's a wolf we didn't know that

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we're wolves in this part of the country

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this thing starts walking toward them

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its head down it's being very docile

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they figure this must be somebody's pet

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this must be somebody's pet wolf and it

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gets closer and closer to them and as it

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does they I think one of them brushed it

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and it it had rained that day so there

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was a wet dog smell they recall and this

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thing was gigantic I mean they the

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ranchers about my size and the back of

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this wolf came up this high so it was

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huge and it's walking between the family

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and acting like a pet and then it spots

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one of these calves that made the

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mistake most of the calves are huddled

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back on the side of the corral they see

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this wolf one of them made the mistake

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of sticking its snout through the bars

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and this wolf springs into action and

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chomps down on this calf and starts

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trying to drag it out of the corral why

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don't we play this clip this is column

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Kelleher the the main investigator on

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the in the mid study put a couple of

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cobs in this Corral here and this one

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here and they saw this this wolf had was

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just trotting across the the field here

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from this direction and it stopped

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occasionally it was there was a light

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rain it was it was a misty kind of a day

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with with light rain and so they were

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watching this wolf as it was coming

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towards them and

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seemingly kind of unconcerned the wolf

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stuck his head in into the corral

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grabbed us that the muzzle of the of the

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calf in full view of these two try to

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drag it out of the corral the car fire

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you know I was going wild so Terry and

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his dad went over with

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you know stout sticks and started

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beating on the wolf to try to let get it

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make sure that it let go the the calf

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several times they beat on the on the on

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the wolf without any effect whatsoever

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so Terry asked his son to go in to get a

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357 Magnum the Sun came out and the the

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wolf was still dragging trying to drag

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that the calf through that the corral

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and Terry sort of pointed the Magnum at

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the animal and shot it now as far as I

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remember he shot at either three or four

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times and it was like from increasingly

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close range first of all it was from

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from several feet and then it was closer

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and closer on the fourth shot the animal

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I believe let the let the calf go but

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the the animal was didn't the the wolf

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didn't let out any yelps of pain that

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there was no sign of blood there was

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there was no sign of distress yeah the

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animal let the calf go and looked at

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Terry Terry gets the 3006 which you know

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can bring bring down an elk you know

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from from a relatively long distance

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shot at at but you know a distance of 20

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feet and this time there was a big

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recoil from the animal you know the

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animal kind of recoiled but still didn't

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give out any pain or anything like that

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but kind of backed off for maybe 10 feet

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15 feet and Terry shot at

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it was actually a sixth time with the

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30-yard six and this time he saw a bunch

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of flesh that the bullet exited from the

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animal with with flesh and this time the

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animal just kind of turned on us on its

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heel and just trotted off you know

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almost casually and exactly where it

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would come from across in that direction

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now you know the piece of flesh was

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lying on the ground and they they

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examined it so they beat it with sticks

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it doesn't react they shot at four times

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with the 357 I owned one of those those

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are pretty powerful handguns it doesn't

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do anything it stops and and it just

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looks at them shoot shoot it twice with

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the with the hunting rifle 30.6 chunk of

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flesh and fur falls off but the animal

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is not in any other kind of distress and

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it just trots off onto the this the

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southern side of the property and on

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that side of the property there's these

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big trees and brush and on the opposite

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side of that then further is a river and

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it gets muddy so the rancher and his son

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are thinking geez this is a big powerful

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animal that's wounded we got to go after

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it they grab another hunting rifle and

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they go after it and it wasn't hard to

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track the wolf because though in the

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muddy ground it was heavy it probably

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weighed 200 pounds and it was leaving

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tracks that went into the mud two inches

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deep so they're tracking it occasionally

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through the brush they see a see a

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glimpse of the animal it walks into what

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is a clearing it's about 50 yards across

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by the time the the rancher and his son

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get to this clearing they walk out the

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tracks go right out into the middle of

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this thing and stop it was as if this

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thing vanished into thin air they go

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walking back to see the rest of the

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family what are we gonna tell them about

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this well we did you know basically

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we're gonna have to just get over it and

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move on this is the first day they moved

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into the property they go back and pick

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up the chunk of fur and flesh and I

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guess they're not thinking like a

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forensic investigator or a UFO

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investigator so they don't keep it but

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this fur and flesh

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smelled like rotten meat like it had

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been out in the Sun for a couple of days

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it was rotting they didn't keep it

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unfortunately but so later when the

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knids guys get there I'm jumping ahead

541
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:12,090
but when the knids guys get there and

542
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:14,370
hear this story they prepared sort of

543
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,290
like a photo lineup like you would do

544
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:18,960
for a suspects in a criminal case and

545
00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:21,900
they showed the family likenesses of

546
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,390
different species of wolves and they

547
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:26,400
asked each of them independently the

548
00:23:30,020 --> 00:23:28,260
four people to pick out which one they

549
00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:30,030
had seen and they all settled on the

550
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:32,160
same one and the one they settled on is

551
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:32,970
a direwolf

552
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:35,610
and it's been extinct for ten thousand

553
00:23:37,910 --> 00:23:36,000
years

554
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:37,920
and that wasn't the only time they saw

555
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:41,130
this wolf that the wife the mom had

556
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,080
another encounter at the front gate and

557
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:45,720
that'll show you in a moment later this

558
00:23:51,650 --> 00:23:49,380
same wolf was in the company of two dogs

559
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:51,660
they're traveling as a pack and the dogs

560
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:55,110
had these giant oversized heads just

561
00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:57,900
really weird animals and a weirder still

562
00:24:02,000 --> 00:23:59,130
that they'd be hanging out with this

563
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:02,010
this bulletproof wolf so that that's day

564
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,810
one that's day one on the property

565
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,760
they're thinking uh you know we just got

566
00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:08,580
to kind of move on finish unpacking and

567
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:10,950
and get on with this now I'm gonna tell

568
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:13,170
you some stories today that you're not

569
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:15,090
gonna believe and I'm okay with that you

570
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:17,250
don't have to believe it I don't have an

571
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,290
agenda I don't know what the explanation

572
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:21,780
for this stuff is I have no idea and I

573
00:24:26,770 --> 00:24:24,510
don't think anybody else does either

574
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:26,780
well we'll explore some possible

575
00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:29,580
connections towards the end then we'll

576
00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:31,920
open it up with the questions but no one

577
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,560
can explain how that works or what that

578
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:36,480
animal was or where it was from or some

579
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,460
of the other creatures or experiences

580
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:40,440
that I'm going to tell you about again I

581
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:42,450
don't expect you to believe it but I'm

582
00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:44,220
telling you that this is how it happened

583
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:46,950
and and that the witnesses are telling

584
00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:54,170
us the truth so the family moves in

585
00:24:58,790 --> 00:24:57,420
strange things start happening let me

586
00:25:01,460 --> 00:24:58,800
show you the what the ranch looks like

587
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:01,470
let's roll that so this is skinwalker

588
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:03,480
Ridge that's the northern side of the

589
00:25:07,910 --> 00:25:04,980
property you'd see it's a really

590
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:07,920
beautiful piece of acreage 480 acres

591
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:11,460
it's divided into three homesteads

592
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,890
and there is only one way in there's

593
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,960
only one way to get into the property by

594
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:18,240
the way on this on the north side is

595
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,830
something called bottle hollow the whole

596
00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:22,440
thing is surrounded by ute tribal land

597
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:24,990
that's the I wish I had stolen that sign

598
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:27,330
because it's gone now but that's the

599
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:29,010
opening day that's the gate that gets

600
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,380
into the ranch there's only one way in

601
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,120
it goes all the way through the three

602
00:25:38,780 --> 00:25:35,760
homesteads and and it's always locked

603
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:38,790
and that becomes important because of

604
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:39,960
some of the events that I'm going to

605
00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:41,730
describe to you the only way to get in

606
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:44,160
that property is right there and the

607
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:46,170
ridge on one side the river on the other

608
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,930
and this road and it goes right by the

609
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:50,640
ranch house now that's the ranch house

610
00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:53,310
where the the family lived when they

611
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:55,560
first moved in we could just freeze on

612
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,260
that for a second when they first moved

613
00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:00,720
in they the house they noticed that

614
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,420
these giant steaks with big heavy chains

615
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:05,520
were both at the front door and on the

616
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,710
side door as if the people who had lived

617
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,960
there had these giant guard dogs they

618
00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:11,760
also noticed that all of the doors had

619
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:14,550
locks on both side bolts and locks they

620
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:17,370
noticed doors inside had locks on both

621
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:20,010
sides and cabinets had locks it was like

622
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:21,810
the people that lived there had been

623
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:23,700
paranoid now though those folks by the

624
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,460
way had been contacted the family they

625
00:26:29,540 --> 00:26:28,440
lived there before and Wow but they have

626
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,550
no idea what we're talking about

627
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:31,440
paranormal stuff they they don't

628
00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:33,480
remember anything like that we'll get

629
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:36,630
into that so that the family thought

630
00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:38,130
that's kind of weird it's like they're

631
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:39,990
worried about keeping something out and

632
00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:41,310
they're worried about keeping something

633
00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:43,830
in and all these locks but again like

634
00:26:47,270 --> 00:26:45,270
with the wolf thing they kind of just

635
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,280
let it go this is their dream property

636
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:49,200
they just got here they're gonna get on

637
00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:49,620
with it

638
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:51,540
these are some observation towers that

639
00:26:57,050 --> 00:26:54,300
were built by the knids team when they

640
00:26:59,660 --> 00:26:57,060
came in in 1996 they have like dog runs

641
00:27:01,280 --> 00:26:59,670
they would have dogs inside those those

642
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:01,290
runs and then the observation decks the

643
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:03,450
team would go out in the pastures at

644
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:06,570
night for observation looking for UFOs

645
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:09,240
or whatever and that the dog runs are

646
00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:10,650
some interesting stories about things

647
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:12,030
that happen there when they installed

648
00:27:17,150 --> 00:27:15,720
them someone kept opening them and the

649
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:17,160
dogs they put them in and five minutes

650
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:19,140
later the dogs are out they'd started

651
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,170
putting locks on the on the gates and

652
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:24,480
then it happened anyway

653
00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:25,740
the locks would disappear there was a

654
00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:27,500
lot of trickster elements that happen

655
00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:31,830
that we'll get into that's another shot

656
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:33,750
of one of the dog runs the needs team

657
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,840
used the dog dogs as sort of biosensors

658
00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:38,820
because they could see and hear and

659
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:41,340
sense things that before the humans who

660
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,630
were with them would be aware that

661
00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:44,580
something was amiss or something was

662
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,230
near this is the middle homestead

663
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:51,240
there's three homesteads remember this

664
00:27:54,650 --> 00:27:52,500
is the middle one it's been long

665
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,660
abandoned it looks like a scene from a

666
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:56,460
horror movie but it's just decayed over

667
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,720
the years because nobody's lived there

668
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,640
but this is sort of the beating heart of

669
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:01,679
skinwalker ranch this this property this

670
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:05,130
area where the most unusual the most

671
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:07,049
intense the weirdest and most

672
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:10,350
inexplicable events seem to occur it was

673
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,030
all sort of concentrated in this general

674
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,580
area this is a this is the corral this

675
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,220
is the corral where the the calves were

676
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:19,500
and where another incident happened

677
00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:22,110
involving Bulls see that white facility

678
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:23,790
there that's a it's an old trailer that

679
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:26,820
they use to store tools in and there's

680
00:28:30,919 --> 00:28:29,010
only one door in and they always kept it

681
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:30,929
locked and locked with the big heavy

682
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:32,850
wire around it which will become a

683
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:37,740
factor a little bit later yeah that's

684
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:41,700
the that's the trailer so that's the

685
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,940
door that that was created because of

686
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:46,679
something that was inside that kicked it

687
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:50,000
out I'll tell you about a little bit

688
00:28:58,940 --> 00:28:56,820
that's what kicked it out those bulls so

689
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:58,950
the family started having weird

690
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:01,260
experiences that we would call sort of

691
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:03,900
poltergeist kind of activity and it was

692
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,700
right from the get-go right immediately

693
00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:07,620
and you know UFOs are one thing

694
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:09,990
creatures that we'll get into in a bit

695
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:11,190
there's a lot of scary stuff that

696
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:12,690
happened there but the stuff that gives

697
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:15,270
me little goosebumps is the poltergeist

698
00:29:19,789 --> 00:29:18,210
stuff they felt that something was

699
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:19,799
watching them the whole time they were

700
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:23,370
there and they weren't wrong they

701
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,010
started having inanimate objects became

702
00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:28,320
animated and it happened almost every

703
00:29:32,539 --> 00:29:30,750
day so we got a chronology of all the

704
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:32,549
events that they could remember and they

705
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:34,950
rattled off dozens of them so frying

706
00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:37,240
pans and spatulas would move

707
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:40,840
and then the trickster started picking

708
00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:45,070
picking up the pace Terry the rancher

709
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:48,070
mr. Gorman is out in the field is using

710
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:50,470
a big post hole digger to dig holes to

711
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,140
put posts or fencing and it's a fairly

712
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:54,880
heavy piece of equipment he stops for a

713
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:56,770
second takes a drink of water goes and

714
00:30:00,210 --> 00:29:58,210
wipes his brown goes in the bathroom

715
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:00,220
comes back his post hole digger is gone

716
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:02,140
now there's nobody out there there's

717
00:30:05,130 --> 00:30:03,310
there's nobody else out there

718
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:05,140
he looks all over for the darn thing

719
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:07,060
finds it three weeks later

720
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:10,930
25 feet up in a cottonwood tree just

721
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:11,290
weird

722
00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:14,380
his son is tasked with moving a quart of

723
00:30:18,810 --> 00:30:16,120
wood he needed to move in a hundred

724
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,820
yards he and his friends had done this

725
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:20,320
to get it closer to the house where

726
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:22,360
they're gonna use it there they went in

727
00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:24,070
when they finished and had lunch came

728
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:25,780
back out the whole quart of wood is

729
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:28,420
moved back to the original spot they did

730
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:30,790
the same thing with fence poles these

731
00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:32,740
are big heavy fence poles they had the

732
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:35,260
Sun and three of his friends spent four

733
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:37,660
hours doing this moved all these heavy

734
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:39,910
fence poles and when they came back out

735
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,500
it had moved back to the original

736
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:43,840
location except it was it was just like

737
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:46,330
an inch or two off like so they could

738
00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:48,310
prove the whole thing had been moved and

739
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:51,040
back but not to its original spot mom

740
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:53,650
would take shower every morning she goes

741
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:55,960
into the bathroom she she locks the door

742
00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:59,140
she puts a towel and a hairbrush on the

743
00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:01,450
cabinet she gets out of the shower the

744
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:03,430
door is still locked towel and hairbrush

745
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:06,130
are gone they find the hairbrush later

746
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:09,790
in the freezer mom goes grocery shopping

747
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,470
it's a ranch family they buy a lot of

748
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:13,360
food so they're not to go back and forth

749
00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:15,850
to town they she brings it home takes

750
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:17,470
all the groceries out of the bags and

751
00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:19,090
puts it into the cabinets leaves the

752
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:21,190
room comes back all the foods back in

753
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:24,190
the bags that that kind of stuff is just

754
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:27,880
happen to him all the time they had a

755
00:31:33,570 --> 00:31:30,640
dog that they needed that had bed fleas

756
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:33,580
so they put a flea collar on it and the

757
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:35,080
very next day the flea collar is gone

758
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:38,170
well dogs do that they can do it it's

759
00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:40,270
not that unusual but the next day it was

760
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,950
back now the dog didn't put it on there

761
00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:46,480
was a lot of stuff like that and then

762
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,940
they started they felt that they were

763
00:31:53,539 --> 00:31:50,340
being watched and they started

764
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:53,549
seeing shadows and shapes in the windows

765
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:56,100
these dark tall dark humanoid shapes

766
00:32:01,610 --> 00:31:57,720
outside the windows they would hear

767
00:32:02,779 --> 00:32:01,620
heavy footprints outside the house then

768
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,789
they started hearing the heavy

769
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:05,039
footprints inside the house and they

770
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,779
started seeing the shapes inside the

771
00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:09,059
house and then they started seeing the

772
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:10,950
shapes at the bottom of their bed inside

773
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:13,650
the house and it freaked him out they

774
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:15,630
would go out at night in that it's a

775
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:17,970
beautiful and serene pasture but they

776
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:20,700
would hear voices coming from the sky

777
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:22,409
above their head speaking a strange

778
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:24,630
language in sort of a mocking tone

779
00:32:29,539 --> 00:32:28,110
laughing at him and you know they're

780
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:29,549
looking up they can't see anything at

781
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:31,890
night the whole pasture would light up

782
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:34,020
as if there was a giant spotlight in the

783
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,520
sky boom sometimes the light appear to

784
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,460
be coming out of the ground itself just

785
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:42,899
like a beam of light right out of the

786
00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:46,399
ground they would hear sounds at night

787
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,980
and sometimes in the daytime of

788
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:51,240
machinery under the ground they would

789
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:52,740
feel the rumbling that could hear

790
00:32:57,019 --> 00:32:55,049
metal-on-metal it was like there was an

791
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:57,029
underground steel mill or a railroad

792
00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:59,010
under there and they couldn't figure it

793
00:33:01,389 --> 00:32:59,490
out

794
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:01,399
the people who had lived there before

795
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:05,279
the Meyer family had when they added a

796
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,880
weird thing to the deed they wanted to

797
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,799
insist that the new owners before they

798
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:12,960
do any digging on the property they

799
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:15,260
should let the Myers know they were

800
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:17,850
subtly suggesting don't be messing with

801
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:20,340
the earth and and as we're gonna learn a

802
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:23,970
little bit later it seemed like that was

803
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:26,070
one of the activities that would stir

804
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:28,289
stuff up when you dug in the earth they

805
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,600
had an earthmover the guy who's there

806
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:32,850
now they have an earthmover because it's

807
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,940
a big ranch yeah move stuff around and

808
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:37,740
whenever they would do that things would

809
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:39,929
erupt and it was hard to predict what

810
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,210
I'll do a little side story here the

811
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:45,480
first visit that I made they invited me

812
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,610
in part because I think they hope that

813
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:49,620
my inherent weirdness quotient might get

814
00:33:55,159 --> 00:33:52,440
something going and so we went to the

815
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:55,169
property and the arrival of strangers

816
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:56,940
that that'll get something going make a

817
00:34:00,380 --> 00:33:58,620
lot of noise out there that gets the

818
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:00,390
attention or whatever it is and you dig

819
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:02,100
in the dirt so we did all that stuff

820
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:03,929
this I was the stranger we

821
00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:05,490
built of fire we made a bunch of noise

822
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,470
did some interviews and we got the earth

823
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:09,599
mover and moved some dirt around and

824
00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:11,790
then they put me on a chair in the

825
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,700
middle homestead and left me there and

826
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,780
so you know they had a couple of

827
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,460
instruments on me they were they went a

828
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:22,500
couple hundred miles a couple of hundred

829
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:23,879
yards away and we're watching through

830
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:25,470
different scopes and infrared binoculars

831
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:28,050
and stuff to see if something came to

832
00:34:34,339 --> 00:34:32,339
get me and I would like to tell you that

833
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:34,349
I'm I'm feeling very brave and you know

834
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:37,889
I'm fine with it bring it on yeah not

835
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,369
really I was thinking to myself well you

836
00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:43,139
know UFO that'd be great

837
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,750
I'm happy to see UFO orbs yeah that'd be

838
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:47,520
that'd be awesome but there's some other

839
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:49,220
things that I'm gonna tell you about now

840
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,419
that I don't want to really come into

841
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,760
contact with that night however there

842
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,679
was nothing came to get me except

843
00:34:59,569 --> 00:34:58,079
mosquitoes so I was i sat out there

844
00:35:03,770 --> 00:34:59,579
about 45 minutes I think and that's

845
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:03,780
quite enough so all of this strange

846
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:08,040
stuff was going on and strange they they

847
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,420
felt that they were being watched

848
00:35:15,049 --> 00:35:12,000
and it just seemed to get weirder and

849
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:15,059
weirder they had no idea about the area

850
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:17,130
and they saw the rancher starts asking

851
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:21,180
around about it this area the Uintah

852
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:24,540
Basin has a history as a UFO hotspot for

853
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,210
as long as humans have lived there

854
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:28,079
people have been seeing strange things

855
00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:30,510
in the sky what we would call UFOs the

856
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:33,150
first Europeans to cross that that area

857
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:37,530
the basin father Escalante 1776 leading

858
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,920
a Spanish missionaries and they reported

859
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:42,839
in their journals strange lights in the

860
00:35:47,299 --> 00:35:45,690
sky above their campfire the youths who

861
00:35:49,789 --> 00:35:47,309
have lived there they have 15

862
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:49,799
generations back of stories that they

863
00:35:55,819 --> 00:35:53,040
tell about the sky people and objects in

864
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:55,829
the sky and and things on this

865
00:36:00,260 --> 00:35:58,530
particular piece of property I'll just

866
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:00,270
tell you about the skinwalker legend now

867
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,569
it is it is a legend it is lore it is

868
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:06,119
religion to Native American people

869
00:36:10,819 --> 00:36:08,190
skinwalker is not really something that

870
00:36:13,579 --> 00:36:10,829
the Utes believe in all that much but

871
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:13,589
the Navajo do and back in the day back

872
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:17,460
in the day in the 17 1800 s the Utes and

873
00:36:19,550 --> 00:36:17,880
the knob

874
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,560
were at war what the youths were a

875
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:21,680
fierce proud people

876
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:24,930
terrific horsemen dangerous warriors and

877
00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:28,110
they battled the Navajo in fact they

878
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,270
align themselves with the Spanish and

879
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:32,760
drove the Navajo out of their ancestral

880
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:35,940
homes in Colorado so the story about

881
00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:37,950
skinwalker which is how the title comes

882
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:40,950
from is that the Utes believed that the

883
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:42,510
Navajo put a curse on them that they

884
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:45,410
said a skinwalker and that that that

885
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:48,870
that Ridge that we saw above the ranch

886
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,630
that is what is known as the path of the

887
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:54,720
skinwalker so the tribe believed that

888
00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:57,090
people should not go there they there's

889
00:37:00,800 --> 00:36:58,620
no prohibition from it but they had

890
00:37:02,330 --> 00:37:00,810
strongly advised tribal members to not

891
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:02,340
go on that ranch and that is still true

892
00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:06,330
today skinwalker in the sense of what

893
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:08,580
we're discussing today is sort of a an

894
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:11,880
umbrella term that the tribe use to

895
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:14,040
describe all the strange stuff that they

896
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:16,200
had seen on that property over the

897
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:19,830
decades over the centuries and it is

898
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:24,270
also sort of a a metaphor for the knids

899
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,360
team to come that that whatever it is

900
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,240
that's there seems to be a trickster a

901
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,980
shape-shifter something that changes

902
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:34,560
shape and form it gives us glimpses of

903
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:37,710
itself at times of its own choosing it

904
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:39,810
appears in different forms to different

905
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:42,060
people it is elusive it is intelligent

906
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,030
hunting it proved to be quite a daunting

907
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:48,000
challenge the Uintah Basin is beautiful

908
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:51,630
Stark it's rich in hydrocarbons dinosaur

909
00:37:57,860 --> 00:37:54,570
bones until the big oil boom caused by

910
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,870
fracking it was about 90% Mormon salt

911
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:00,240
salt of the earth folks LDS the other

912
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:02,850
10% were the Utes they were given a

913
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:04,890
reservation at the end of the Civil War

914
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,640
by Abraham Lincoln the 8th cavalry the

915
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,560
buffalo soldiers were sent there built a

916
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:12,240
fort fort Duchene to keep an eye on them

917
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:14,850
to keep the peace buffalo soldiers are

918
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,410
their own story because it turns out

919
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:18,300
that this particular group of Calvary

920
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:20,730
men were all freemasons steeped in the

921
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:24,930
dark arts and some of them are buried in

922
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,780
the in the areas of fort duchesne that

923
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:30,000
the Native Americans the the Utes have

924
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,320
built over and they built

925
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:34,320
homes and dug up the ground to pour

926
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:37,050
concrete foundations and found graves

927
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:39,180
and uniforms of the Buffalo Soldiers who

928
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:40,530
were buried there so it's sort of like a

929
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:42,930
Hollywood movie in Reverse you know

930
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:45,210
we're we're always building haunted

931
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,490
houses on Indian burial grounds this is

932
00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:49,760
kind of the the opposite side of that

933
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:51,150
the Utes

934
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:54,120
have their own government they have

935
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:55,710
their own businesses they're modern

936
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:58,980
people they generally coexist peacefully

937
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,800
with the non Utes and the tribe for us

938
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,260
as investigators for needs and then for

939
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,560
us as filmmakers we had a tough time

940
00:39:11,330 --> 00:39:08,820
breaking through to them and getting

941
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:11,340
them to talk they didn't trust us it

942
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:13,230
took a long time jeremy has made really

943
00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:16,710
great progress in the last year or so in

944
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:18,870
gaining access to Utes and we've been

945
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,490
able to engage with them and hear a

946
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:22,500
whole new level of stories about what's

947
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:26,010
been going on there in 1974 a guy named

948
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:28,350
Frank Salisbury Utah State University

949
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:30,840
wrote an excellent book called the Utah

950
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:34,020
UFO display the use of the word display

951
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:36,330
and his title is is telling I think but

952
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:39,480
it was it was because at that time in

953
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:42,090
the late 50s all through the 60s into

954
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:45,210
the 70s that basin for whatever reason

955
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:47,820
was a UFO hotspot more UFO sightings per

956
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,110
capita than maybe anywhere in the

957
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:51,420
country and pretty much if you go there

958
00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:54,780
now you you would be hard-pressed to

959
00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:56,820
find somebody who hasn't seen one or who

960
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,950
has a family doesn't have a family

961
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:01,140
member who's seen UFOs of all kinds of

962
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:03,330
shapes and sizes why that particular

963
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:05,940
area no we don't really know a lot of

964
00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:08,120
doctors all with the Salisbury's

965
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:10,230
information came from a guy named jr.

966
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:12,570
Hicks he lives in a spent his entire

967
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:14,460
life there in the basin

968
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:16,740
he was the science teacher he taught

969
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,260
science to generations of school kids

970
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:21,660
who live in the in the area and as they

971
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:24,150
would become adults or teenagers and see

972
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:26,490
UFOs or weird stuff they would go back

973
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:28,500
to their science teacher jr. Hicks and

974
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:30,060
tell him the story and he started

975
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,370
compiling all these files and cases and

976
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:34,320
he would drive through the properties

977
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:35,970
and interview witnesses and put together

978
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:38,850
an amazing compendium thousands of cases

979
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,460
that he looked at the best 400 or so he

980
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:43,500
gave to dr. Salisbury which formed the

981
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:44,870
basis of this book

982
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:47,100
Jr Hicks is a pretty cool guy and

983
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:49,350
because he knew everybody growing up

984
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,570
they trusted him until told his story so

985
00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:53,460
he got a lot of information and he

986
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:55,590
shared a lot of that stuff with us jr.

987
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:57,090
Hicks is the guy the first time I met

988
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,770
him on my first visit to the property

989
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,920
who told me that Ridge is the path of

990
00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:03,720
the skinwalker and it got a little chill

991
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,580
when he said it wise what is what's a

992
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:07,140
skinwalker I'd never heard of it before

993
00:41:11,950 --> 00:41:09,060
and he told me the story about the Utes

994
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:11,960
and the prohibition or rather the

995
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:14,820
admonition against going there and we've

996
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:18,450
been working on that ever since you know

997
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:19,500
I could talk all day about the

998
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:21,270
skinwalker but in essence it is a

999
00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:23,550
shape-shifter it's an evil presence a

1000
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:26,100
sorcerer in order to become a skinwalker

1001
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,780
according to aho beliefs you have to

1002
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:29,520
kill somebody a member of your own

1003
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:31,470
family and then you'll be able to morph

1004
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:33,510
into other animals and other shapes a

1005
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,250
crow a fox a wolf wolf so it's it's an

1006
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:41,280
interesting idea and maybe it seems

1007
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:44,700
quaint to some of us who do not share

1008
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:46,740
that particular belief or that culture

1009
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:47,910
but the Utes

1010
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:49,830
take it very seriously the Navajo take

1011
00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:51,750
it very seriously as evidenced by the

1012
00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:54,270
fact that we tried to ask about it even

1013
00:41:59,660 --> 00:41:57,270
to tribal officials to police officers

1014
00:42:00,830 --> 00:41:59,670
to academics they didn't want to talk

1015
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:00,840
about it because by mentioning

1016
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,360
skinwalker there was a concern that you

1017
00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:05,040
invoke it you invoke its name you

1018
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:07,950
invited into your life and the there

1019
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:09,990
they take it very seriously because it's

1020
00:42:16,340 --> 00:42:12,900
pretty scary and it's scary in ways that

1021
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:16,350
that transcend the tribe they believe

1022
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,970
that the Navajo had put a curse on them

1023
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:20,880
and that's that was what was unfolding

1024
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,610
on the Gorman ranch and the Gorman's had

1025
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:25,440
no way of knowing this they buy the

1026
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:28,410
property in 1994 they notice all the

1027
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,570
weird stuff all the weird events that

1028
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,160
start happening the shapes and shadows

1029
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:35,040
the lights the voices then they start

1030
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:37,020
seeing weird animals in addition to the

1031
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:39,390
wolf incident from that first day that

1032
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:40,430
was just the beginning

1033
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:44,130
Ellen as I mentioned she saw something

1034
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:47,670
similar at the gate they saw birds that

1035
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:49,170
would show up that looked like they they

1036
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:51,450
were red they came out of like the

1037
00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:53,310
Amazon or something that they're not

1038
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,230
native to that they would show up there

1039
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:58,319
were times when flocks of geese would be

1040
00:43:03,439 --> 00:43:00,660
lying over the property and they'd watch

1041
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:03,449
him these giant V's of geese Canadian

1042
00:43:07,249 --> 00:43:05,190
geese and as soon as they got over the

1043
00:43:09,319 --> 00:43:07,259
ranch house it was like they ran into an

1044
00:43:11,449 --> 00:43:09,329
invisible pillar there and they all

1045
00:43:14,650 --> 00:43:11,459
scattered some of them fall out of the

1046
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,660
sky here's a here's a weird one

1047
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:17,160
one afternoon Tom and Ellen arrived at

1048
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:19,049
the ranch after stopping in town they

1049
00:43:22,339 --> 00:43:20,609
see a commotion in the corral

1050
00:43:24,529 --> 00:43:22,349
something's kicking up a lot of dust as

1051
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,539
they got closer they could see something

1052
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:26,160
is attacking their horses in the corral

1053
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:29,819
and it says big heavy beasts it looks

1054
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:33,839
like a hyena but its muscular low to the

1055
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:36,359
ground with a big furry Fox like tail

1056
00:43:40,549 --> 00:43:39,150
and it's got claws and it's scratching

1057
00:43:42,769 --> 00:43:40,559
at the haunches of these horses that are

1058
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,779
jumping up and down and it wasn't

1059
00:43:46,759 --> 00:43:44,400
imaginary because the horses were

1060
00:43:48,469 --> 00:43:46,769
injured the rancher jumps out of his

1061
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:48,479
truck yells at this thing and goes

1062
00:43:52,779 --> 00:43:50,670
charging after it it takes off out of

1063
00:43:55,099 --> 00:43:52,789
the corral goes up skinwalker Ridge

1064
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:55,109
jumps into a rock and disappears it's

1065
00:43:59,029 --> 00:43:57,209
vanished I had never seen that before

1066
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:59,039
and they can't identify what the heck

1067
00:44:05,509 --> 00:44:00,900
that was but its claws definitely left

1068
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:05,519
marks bulletproof wolves strange animals

1069
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:07,140
mystery voices strange lights

1070
00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:09,690
poltergeist what do you need after that

1071
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:10,859
you need UFOs

1072
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:12,650
so they started seeing a bunch of them

1073
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:15,630
the first one they saw it looked like an

1074
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,690
RV it was at the third homestead down at

1075
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:20,579
the other end of the property and the

1076
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,140
rancher and his son are out at night and

1077
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:23,880
they see what they think are headlights

1078
00:44:29,059 --> 00:44:26,579
coming from the third ranch toward their

1079
00:44:30,469 --> 00:44:29,069
house they wondered how the hell did

1080
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:30,479
this guy get down there in a Winnebago

1081
00:44:35,269 --> 00:44:33,209
he must be stuck let's go help him so

1082
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,279
they start walking in that direction the

1083
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:37,380
headlights start coming toward them then

1084
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:40,619
the headlights go up up and over the

1085
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:43,650
trees and out and it they described it

1086
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:45,930
once it was in the sky they described it

1087
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:50,130
as what UFO researchers would call a

1088
00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:53,130
trooper what was seen in Brazil for a

1089
00:44:57,769 --> 00:44:54,869
lot of years a big refrigerator looking

1090
00:44:59,479 --> 00:44:57,779
thing or an RV type shape but it clearly

1091
00:45:01,339 --> 00:44:59,489
was not a Winnebago if it wasn't

1092
00:45:04,789 --> 00:45:01,349
Winnebago I'd like to buy one of those

1093
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:04,799
flying Winnebagos next they started

1094
00:45:10,789 --> 00:45:08,640
seeing these a daylight sightings of

1095
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:10,799
silver discs they saw classic flying

1096
00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:12,090
saucers except

1097
00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:14,360
they the one that they encountered

1098
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:18,230
generated an emotional response in them

1099
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,510
and they were elated almost giddy like

1100
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:23,760
it was accessing something in their

1101
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:26,130
brain to mess with their emotions and

1102
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:27,270
that wouldn't be the only time that

1103
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:29,010
happened there were other crafts that

1104
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,810
and orbs and things that they saw that

1105
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,240
had the opposite effect there were some

1106
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:35,280
UFOs that looked like stealth fighters

1107
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:37,830
that would float silently over the over

1108
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:39,570
the property Ellen saw them first at the

1109
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:42,210
gate again and they were ringed by what

1110
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:44,100
looked like Christmas lights or disco

1111
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:45,960
lights there were a couple of times when

1112
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:48,960
they would just appear over Tom it was

1113
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:51,180
he was out at night in the pasture and

1114
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,770
then BOOM there's one right there

1115
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:54,660
he took to stalking them he'd go out

1116
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:57,210
with a rifle at night he was thinking

1117
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:58,500
it's the government doing this stuff

1118
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:00,690
that government is somehow trying to

1119
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:02,250
drive him off his land so he'd get his

1120
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:03,810
gun and he was ready to shoot one out of

1121
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:06,870
the sky but he watch it he'd hide so

1122
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:09,510
these things are not omnipotent they

1123
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,250
could be fooled but he watched him

1124
00:46:15,110 --> 00:46:12,720
floating around over the property

1125
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:15,120
shining spotlights over the ranch at

1126
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,580
different spots and he it's cold the

1127
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:18,960
night that he's telling the story about

1128
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:22,410
and he moves his knee and it cracks and

1129
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,450
this thing reacts it hears the Krakken

1130
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,520
reacts and shines a light in his

1131
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,560
direction and he he took off they

1132
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:31,140
started seeing all kinds of orbs the

1133
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:32,790
first ones were these white things that

1134
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:35,100
would flit around it's not fireflies

1135
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,130
they were about the size of a softball

1136
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,660
floating around in the trees sometimes

1137
00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:41,520
they'd hover sometimes they'd come

1138
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:43,080
toward them then they started seeing

1139
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:46,110
these red things also orbs that seemed

1140
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,170
to design to go after their animals

1141
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,880
scared the hell out of their animals

1142
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:52,980
drove their wood divided their their

1143
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:54,930
cows that would drive him off cliffs and

1144
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:56,940
then the blue ones the Blue Meanies

1145
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,610
these things were bigger than a softball

1146
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:02,240
they would get real close they were

1147
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:04,650
looked like it was made out of glass and

1148
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:07,020
inside of them was this bubbling blue

1149
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:10,500
liquid no means of propulsion they

1150
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:11,340
couldn't figure out how these things

1151
00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:13,260
were flying but when these things would

1152
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,060
get close both the animals and the

1153
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:17,220
people it would drive them to their

1154
00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:19,110
knees with fear just drive them crazy

1155
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:21,120
with fear like it was accessing a

1156
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:23,130
flight-or-fight kind of

1157
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,870
it thing in your head now it's weird

1158
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:26,700
they had seen a lot of weird stuff they

1159
00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:28,050
were kind of getting used to

1160
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,580
spooky scary stuff but this thing drove

1161
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:34,800
them literally to their knees and and

1162
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:37,260
mess with them they started having weird

1163
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:39,690
dreams in addition to seeing the things

1164
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:41,400
outside the window they would have the

1165
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:43,410
same dreams at night the husband and

1166
00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:45,810
wife and then in these dreams these

1167
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:48,620
beings in the sky are watching him and

1168
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,450
talking about him and they said oh yeah

1169
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:54,480
Tom he knows he's where we're here when

1170
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,040
they wake up and they both tell the same

1171
00:47:59,900 --> 00:47:58,440
dream again they're upset about it a

1172
00:48:01,340 --> 00:47:59,910
couple of times they would wake up and

1173
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:01,350
they'd have these scoop marks on their

1174
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,810
on their hands and fingers so that it's

1175
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:06,240
really trying to scare the hell out of

1176
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:11,730
them I'll tell you what they they

1177
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:13,770
started in addition to all these UFOs

1178
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:15,390
that they were saying their neighbors

1179
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:17,010
were seeing him sometimes sombrero

1180
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:18,810
shaped objects that would fly right into

1181
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:20,730
skinwalker Ridge almost like it's a

1182
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,210
holographic projection of some sort as

1183
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,180
they Tom starts asking his neighbors he

1184
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:28,920
finds out that pretty much everybody out

1185
00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:30,060
there has been seeing him and have been

1186
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,340
seeing him for a long time and he I

1187
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:34,200
guess he probably was wishing why didn't

1188
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:35,490
somebody tell me that before I bought

1189
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:38,910
this property they started losing

1190
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:44,250
animals cattle now they've got 80 head

1191
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,160
in their herd and these are expensive

1192
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:49,440
animals and a lot of them started

1193
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:51,210
disappearing altogether he would watch

1194
00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:53,550
he would you could follow the tracks in

1195
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:55,590
the snow right into a snowbank and then

1196
00:48:59,810 --> 00:48:56,700
poof they're gone like they were

1197
00:49:01,070 --> 00:48:59,820
snatched out of the sky then they

1198
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,080
started finding them that are cut up

1199
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:04,140
classic mutilation stuff the neighbor

1200
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:06,630
was having the same experiences mr.

1201
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:07,110
Garcia

1202
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:09,450
his cat had the one incident that he

1203
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:12,060
told me about was he had two cows that

1204
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:13,350
were in a special pen he had him

1205
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:14,700
sequestered from the rest of the herd

1206
00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:17,340
he's in the house and they're locked

1207
00:49:20,090 --> 00:49:18,360
there's no way they're gonna get out

1208
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:20,100
he's in the house and he looks out and

1209
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:22,020
both of them are outside the corral that

1210
00:49:25,610 --> 00:49:23,610
he'd created outside the fence and

1211
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:25,620
they're laying down and he goes rushing

1212
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:27,450
out what the heck is going on these

1213
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:30,120
can't yet these cows had their legs were

1214
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:31,740
broken their front legs are both broken

1215
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:34,130
how did this happen

1216
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:36,170
he goes back in the house he's gonna get

1217
00:49:41,290 --> 00:49:38,030
a gun and take him down he comes back

1218
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:41,300
outside the cows are gone they didn't

1219
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:43,250
walk their legs are broken they're in

1220
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:45,710
severe pain goes back in the house

1221
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:48,410
puzzled an hour later they're both back

1222
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,970
he goes outside to see him now they've

1223
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:52,640
got for all of their legs are broken as

1224
00:49:59,650 --> 00:49:55,510
if they had been dropped from the sky

1225
00:50:04,030 --> 00:49:59,660
the Gorman's lost a total of thirty head

1226
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:04,040
and out of a herd of 80 animals that's

1227
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:07,750
pretty bad that's that's a significant

1228
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:11,570
loss there was one particular mutilation

1229
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,130
incident that happened after the

1230
00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:15,200
scientific team was there and I think I

1231
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:17,420
want to show you that now the Gorman's

1232
00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:19,100
were especially sensitive to the

1233
00:50:22,990 --> 00:50:20,900
incident with the Bulls because of the

1234
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:23,000
losses they'd already suffered out of a

1235
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:25,970
herd of 80 cattle they lost 14 head

1236
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:28,280
prior to the arrival of knids some

1237
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,340
disappeared others were sliced up 12

1238
00:50:35,830 --> 00:50:33,680
more cows and calves were killed while

1239
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:35,840
knids was on the ranch their neighbors

1240
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:38,390
the Garcias lost several animals as well

1241
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:40,280
some of their cattle appeared to have

1242
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:42,050
been killed by being dropped onto the

1243
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:44,600
pasture from a great height the cattle

1244
00:50:49,150 --> 00:50:46,610
mutilation mystery has been reported in

1245
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:49,160
at least 15 states dating back to the

1246
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:51,740
1960s thousands of animals have been

1247
00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:54,560
sliced up with surgical precision mostly

1248
00:50:59,230 --> 00:50:56,900
under the cover of darkness if humans

1249
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,240
are doing it not a single suspect has

1250
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:01,520
ever been caught for the Gorman's the

1251
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:04,010
livestock losses were devastating both

1252
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:06,590
financially and psychologically and then

1253
00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:12,230
things got worse on March 10th 1997 Tom

1254
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:14,060
Gorman and his wife walked out of their

1255
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:16,340
home and into the pasture planning to

1256
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,830
tag the ears of several calves that had

1257
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:21,200
been born in the preceding days it was a

1258
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:23,270
bright clear morning snow was on the

1259
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,550
ground 50 yards from their house they

1260
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:27,200
found the first calf was they were with

1261
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:30,460
their their dog that the two of them

1262
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:33,620
tagged and weighed this animal they they

1263
00:51:40,930 --> 00:51:36,290
checked it at I believe was 84 pounds

1264
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:40,940
or 87 pounds and they left the animal

1265
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:43,790
there with it with the mother everything

1266
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:46,010
seemed to be fine although they did

1267
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:49,430
detect an odor in the air around this

1268
00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:52,850
area they they detected a strong musk

1269
00:51:59,710 --> 00:51:56,750
smell they took note of it and then they

1270
00:52:02,020 --> 00:51:59,720
headed west and they went about 300

1271
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,030
yards west beyond that the dog run was

1272
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:04,880
not was not there at the time but about

1273
00:52:12,010 --> 00:52:08,810
300 yards beyond towards where that

1274
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,020
incline is and they were tagging a

1275
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:14,720
second animal only 30 to 40 minutes had

1276
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:16,610
passed the Gorman's had an unobstructed

1277
00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:19,010
view of everything in the field but

1278
00:52:23,350 --> 00:52:20,860
didn't see or hear anything unusual

1279
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:23,360
until their dog focused its attention

1280
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:25,970
back toward the house and the first calf

1281
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:28,760
the dog with them down here at this

1282
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,100
stage began to act really strangely it

1283
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:32,960
started growling the hair on the back of

1284
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:35,330
its neck went up and it started facing

1285
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:39,230
back towards here growling and snarling

1286
00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:42,800
and then it just took off west away from

1287
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:44,780
this spot it just took off he was never

1288
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:45,350
seen again

1289
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:47,510
the Gorman's were curious and walked

1290
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,460
back across the field first thing they

1291
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:52,640
saw was the mother of the animal was

1292
00:53:00,310 --> 00:52:57,530
running back and forth kind of in a sort

1293
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:00,320
of half circle from about this area to

1294
00:53:04,810 --> 00:53:02,690
the fence line just running back and

1295
00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:04,820
forth and it was limping I mean it was

1296
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:07,070
dragging its foot it was limping they

1297
00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:10,640
met the animal and they noticed that it

1298
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:12,260
was just totally out of breath

1299
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:14,810
it was panting it was obviously in deep

1300
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:17,090
stress and it was dragging one leg and

1301
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:19,460
then they noticed the calf or what was

1302
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,450
left of it

1303
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:22,640
spread-eagled on the ground just about

1304
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:26,420
here with was it was lying with all four

1305
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:29,420
limbs just spread on the ground all of

1306
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:30,130
it in turn

1307
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:32,970
body cavity was gone it was completely

1308
00:53:40,049 --> 00:53:36,400
pretty well all of its muscle was gone

1309
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:40,059
from from the torso the legs were still

1310
00:53:47,279 --> 00:53:43,690
intact but the one of the ears was also

1311
00:53:49,499 --> 00:53:47,289
gone so they called ned's the rancher

1312
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:49,509
placed a call to the knids investigators

1313
00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:51,490
who'd returned to las vegas for a rare

1314
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:53,619
weekend off within a few hours a

1315
00:53:59,730 --> 00:53:56,049
four-man team including a veterinarian

1316
00:54:01,230 --> 00:53:59,740
was on the scene that cropsy started now

1317
00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:01,240
the first thing that the veterinarian

1318
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:03,099
noticed adjourned the necropsy was the

1319
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,900
theme the ear of the animal had been

1320
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:07,920
sliced off with a very sharp instrument

1321
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:10,990
possibly a scalpel and the ear had

1322
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:13,960
contained a very large plastic yellow

1323
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:18,910
tag an ear tag that they had just put on

1324
00:54:26,249 --> 00:54:22,660
and it was gone so the net crops he

1325
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,259
proceeded a boat 10 feet away from the

1326
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:28,000
animal there was a femur one of the

1327
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:30,430
femurs had been forcibly ripped out of a

1328
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:32,920
ball-and-socket joint which is extremely

1329
00:54:37,499 --> 00:54:34,900
difficult to do I mean in terms of

1330
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:37,509
strength was it looked initially you

1331
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:39,430
know superficially like a massive

1332
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:41,950
predator had just laying waste to this

1333
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:44,440
animal removed you know 60 pounds of

1334
00:54:48,839 --> 00:54:47,170
meat in 45 minutes which we don't know

1335
00:54:51,059 --> 00:54:48,849
of any predator that could have done

1336
00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:51,069
that and how could a predator inflict

1337
00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:53,470
such carnage without being seen or heard

1338
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:56,200
by the rancher his wife or his dog who

1339
00:55:00,299 --> 00:54:58,089
were a few hundred yards away in the

1340
00:55:03,059 --> 00:55:00,309
same field on what was a quiet Sunday

1341
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:03,069
morning no four-legged predator known to

1342
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:05,529
science could do it the team gathered

1343
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:07,690
tissue and bone samples which were sent

1344
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,329
to three independent pathology labs the

1345
00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:12,670
results arrived later but confirmed what

1346
00:55:17,069 --> 00:55:14,680
seemed obvious in the pasture that day

1347
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:17,079
the calf had been carved up by someone

1348
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:19,630
wielding sharp metallic instruments a

1349
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:22,150
heavy machete like object had slammed

1350
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:24,730
into the bones a smaller scalpel like

1351
00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:27,400
knife had sliced the hide and muscle but

1352
00:55:31,289 --> 00:55:29,380
a closer inspection revealed that it was

1353
00:55:34,829 --> 00:55:31,299
definitely sharp instruments used there

1354
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:34,839
was no sign of blood was no sign of

1355
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:38,750
entrails around it was perfectly clean

1356
00:55:42,490 --> 00:55:40,460
not a drop of blood on the grass we went

1357
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:42,500
even as far as doing an experiment by

1358
00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:43,970
pouring blood on the grass to see how

1359
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:46,460
fast would seep through videotaped the

1360
00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:48,950
grass and showed you know even two days

1361
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:50,599
later you could still see the stain on

1362
00:55:54,579 --> 00:55:52,490
the grass so there was no blood

1363
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:54,589
whatsoever not a single drop either

1364
00:55:59,819 --> 00:55:57,020
underneath the animal on the animal or

1365
00:56:02,170 --> 00:55:59,829
on the grass it was just completely a

1366
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,180
professional tracker was brought in he

1367
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,400
scoured every inch of ground in and

1368
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,079
around the field looking for tracks

1369
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:09,200
human animal or vehicle nothing

1370
00:56:14,349 --> 00:56:11,480
eventually the investigators reached an

1371
00:56:16,030 --> 00:56:14,359
unsettling conclusion the bottom line is

1372
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:16,040
this animal must have been killed

1373
00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:18,290
elsewhere because there was no blood

1374
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:20,180
there was no blood on the scene and then

1375
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:21,770
the animal must have been brought back

1376
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,150
laid down carefully almost you know

1377
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,640
really almost ritually on the spot where

1378
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,410
it had been tagged the knids team

1379
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:32,720
investigated dozens of mutilation cases

1380
00:56:37,569 --> 00:56:34,730
across the country many of the tissue

1381
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:37,579
samples were analyzed in needs own lab

1382
00:56:42,670 --> 00:56:39,950
in Las Vegas and then double-checked by

1383
00:56:45,309 --> 00:56:42,680
independent labs they hired the Utah

1384
00:56:47,849 --> 00:56:45,319
calf was in a category all its own it

1385
00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:47,859
seemed akin to psychological warfare

1386
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:50,180
intended to shock and frighten the

1387
00:56:54,099 --> 00:56:52,250
witnesses the following night there was

1388
00:56:56,620 --> 00:56:54,109
another scare in the darkness of the

1389
00:56:58,410 --> 00:56:56,630
first homestead shots were fired at

1390
00:57:01,180 --> 00:56:58,420
something that had rattled the herd

1391
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,190
eventually colum Kelleher surmised that

1392
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:03,440
the perpetrators responsible for the

1393
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:05,810
calf were mechanical like an assembly

1394
00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:08,510
line in a meat packing plant a machine

1395
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:11,150
was involved with this carnage whatever

1396
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:14,210
happened to that calf was an

1397
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:17,840
extraordinary skillful job

1398
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:25,120
so let me tell you about the shots that

1399
00:57:29,950 --> 00:57:27,980
were fired after this calf incident

1400
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:29,960
everybody's pretty much on edge we've

1401
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:31,430
kind of jumped ahead because I haven't

1402
00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:32,930
told you about the mids arrival but I'll

1403
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:35,590
get to it so everyone's kind of on edge

1404
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:38,900
animals the dogs the the people

1405
00:57:42,460 --> 00:57:41,030
everybody was kind of hunkered down and

1406
00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:42,470
hiding there was just a sense of

1407
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:45,020
foreboding on the property and then the

1408
00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:47,690
rancher hears these cows making noise

1409
00:57:51,550 --> 00:57:49,580
bellowing out in the first homestead

1410
00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:51,560
near that near where this calf had been

1411
00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:52,040
killed

1412
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:54,380
he's figures I'm not losing another

1413
00:57:58,930 --> 00:57:56,690
animal and he grabs his rifle and jumps

1414
00:58:00,730 --> 00:57:58,940
in his truck and takes off toward that

1415
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,740
where the noise is coming from two guys

1416
00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:02,480
from knids two scientists

1417
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:04,520
jump in their car and they go after him

1418
00:58:09,220 --> 00:58:06,830
and they're videotaping part of it the

1419
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:09,230
rancher jumps out of his truck he sees

1420
00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:12,410
two things at the bottom of this tree is

1421
00:58:16,990 --> 00:58:14,990
a really big round thing looks like a

1422
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:17,000
big hairy bear except there it's just

1423
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:19,910
it's a circle and up in the tree is some

1424
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:21,860
eyes and these eyes are like this big

1425
00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:25,490
and they're yellow in the tree above

1426
00:58:29,230 --> 00:58:27,380
where the the thing is at the bottom he

1427
00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:29,240
pulls out his rifle and pops this thing

1428
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:31,430
that's on the bottom and he yells out I

1429
00:58:36,670 --> 00:58:33,320
hit it and as soon as he hit it it

1430
00:58:39,010 --> 00:58:36,680
disappeared boom like it like a balloon

1431
00:58:41,350 --> 00:58:39,020
exploding then he starts shooting at the

1432
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,360
ice in the tree and he hit that too

1433
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:43,280
because something whatever it was fell

1434
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:46,130
out of the tree and at the bottom it was

1435
00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:48,470
still there was still snow in patches in

1436
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:50,540
that in that area at that time of the

1437
00:58:56,910 --> 00:58:52,910
year and this thing whatever it was left

1438
00:59:00,010 --> 00:58:56,920
a footprint in snow and it looked like

1439
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:00,020
claws it looked like a raptor like great

1440
00:59:06,250 --> 00:59:03,650
big claws the rancher and the two guys

1441
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:06,260
from knids go into the brush to look for

1442
00:59:10,540 --> 00:59:07,850
it there's no blood or anything but that

1443
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:10,550
track which they videotaped told them

1444
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:12,080
that there was an animal of some kind

1445
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:15,470
there like a dinosaur and they went

1446
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:16,850
after it they went into the brush with

1447
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:18,650
the guns in the dead of night out there

1448
00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:21,080
looking for it they never found it I

1449
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,420
think probably thank goodness I want to

1450
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,280
back up to another story that happened

1451
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:27,440
before you saw the freeze-frame of the

1452
00:59:32,049 --> 00:59:30,050
Bulls that were looking really surly and

1453
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:32,059
angry

1454
00:59:35,949 --> 00:59:33,529
whatever this thing was this

1455
00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:35,959
intelligence it was a trickster it

1456
00:59:39,819 --> 00:59:38,180
played mind games it was always one step

1457
00:59:42,939 --> 00:59:39,829
ahead of everybody he can anticipate

1458
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:42,949
what the rancher and his family and what

1459
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:45,049
the scientists who eventually came there

1460
00:59:48,969 --> 00:59:47,209
we're going to do next you put up a

1461
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:48,979
camera in an area where there's been a

1462
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:49,910
lot of activity

1463
00:59:53,709 --> 00:59:51,650
there's nothing happens there anymore it

1464
00:59:55,630 --> 00:59:53,719
moves over here and it just played mind

1465
00:59:58,599 --> 00:59:55,640
games and the Bulls is the example

1466
01:00:00,400 --> 00:59:58,609
you'll recall that that Corral with the

1467
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:00,410
the white trailer in it

1468
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:03,049
well the rancher and his wife are

1469
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,670
heading to the third homestead they're

1470
01:00:08,109 --> 01:00:06,319
in the truck they've lost a bunch of

1471
01:00:09,549 --> 01:00:08,119
animals they're about ready to go under

1472
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:09,559
and the rancher says to his wife you

1473
01:00:13,259 --> 01:00:12,140
know if we something happens to one of

1474
01:00:16,539 --> 01:00:13,269
those bulls

1475
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:16,549
we'll go we're done they had four Bulls

1476
01:00:22,989 --> 01:00:19,880
these four very expensive 2,500 pound

1477
01:00:24,939 --> 01:00:22,999
powerful monster animals and they're all

1478
01:00:27,189 --> 01:00:24,949
in the corral in their Corral that day

1479
01:00:29,229 --> 01:00:27,199
they drive down to the third homestead

1480
01:00:32,469 --> 01:00:29,239
they come back they're gone 25 minutes

1481
01:00:34,359 --> 01:00:32,479
the Bulls are gone they're freaking out

1482
01:00:36,429 --> 01:00:34,369
they jump out start looking around how

1483
01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:36,439
is this possible there's nobody here

1484
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,390
it's not rustlers they they couldn't get

1485
01:00:43,049 --> 01:00:40,400
into the property and if they did these

1486
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:43,059
Bulls are not easy to move around

1487
01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:45,410
they're there looking all over the place

1488
01:00:49,029 --> 01:00:47,390
scrambling he the rancher goes over

1489
01:00:51,789 --> 01:00:49,039
there's a grate at the top of the the

1490
01:00:53,709 --> 01:00:51,799
trailer just on a whim he looks inside

1491
01:00:55,479 --> 01:00:53,719
all four of the Bulls are inside this

1492
01:00:57,339 --> 01:00:55,489
trailer they're crammed together

1493
01:00:59,199 --> 01:00:57,349
there's no there's no way you could

1494
01:01:01,569 --> 01:00:59,209
you'd need a forklift to get one of them

1495
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:01,579
in that trailer and to get all four of

1496
01:01:05,669 --> 01:01:03,529
them in in that amount of time crammed

1497
01:01:09,279 --> 01:01:05,679
in there and they were like in a trance

1498
01:01:10,959 --> 01:01:09,289
they were he yells to his wife hey I

1499
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:10,969
found him they're over here and when he

1500
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:13,729
yelled they wake up and they start

1501
01:01:17,410 --> 01:01:15,650
kicking the hell out of the the sides of

1502
01:01:19,569 --> 01:01:17,420
this tree that the trailer and they

1503
01:01:22,689 --> 01:01:19,579
knocked a hole in that that's where you

1504
01:01:24,130 --> 01:01:22,699
saw that big piece of wood in the side

1505
01:01:26,049 --> 01:01:24,140
of the thing and then they got out and

1506
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:26,059
the photo that we showed yeah that's the

1507
01:01:30,099 --> 01:01:28,249
that's that's where they kicked it out

1508
01:01:32,769 --> 01:01:30,109
and got out but they were in a pretty

1509
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:32,779
bad mood for a while now all right I

1510
01:01:37,029 --> 01:01:34,670
guess somebody could do a trick like

1511
01:01:38,439 --> 01:01:37,039
that but here's here's the other part of

1512
01:01:40,269 --> 01:01:38,449
the mystery the dudes guys were not

1513
01:01:42,339 --> 01:01:40,279
there that day but they the rancher

1514
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:42,349
called and told them about it they flew

1515
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:43,609
from Las Vegas they were there in a

1516
01:01:47,330 --> 01:01:45,090
couple of hours

1517
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:47,340
they start using instrumentation to see

1518
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:49,260
if they can detect anything and the

1519
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:53,310
entire Corral was magnetized like

1520
01:01:58,220 --> 01:01:56,220
whatever technology or method was used

1521
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,230
to get those bulls Murray uncooperative

1522
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:01,440
mean animals into that force them into

1523
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:04,890
that trailer had somehow magnetized the

1524
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:06,780
entire Corral and stayed magnetized for

1525
01:02:11,570 --> 01:02:08,760
several hours the funny thing is the

1526
01:02:13,790 --> 01:02:11,580
door had not been opened there's a

1527
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:13,800
there's a thing of wire that was still

1528
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,390
around it so whoever got him in there

1529
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:17,520
didn't use the door and there were even

1530
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:19,890
cobwebs on the inside that door that

1531
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:21,690
we're still there so that's a pretty

1532
01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:24,330
weird thing and then to have the the

1533
01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:25,950
calf mutilation right after that

1534
01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:28,320
followed by the dinosaur they're really

1535
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:30,990
messed up so they had a whole range of

1536
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,920
other weird stuff going on they had

1537
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:36,240
something you'd call Bigfoot they saw a

1538
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:38,490
family a Bigfoot at one point four of

1539
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:40,440
them they would see these things eight

1540
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:42,780
feet tall running across the the

1541
01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:44,970
pastures they would see something that

1542
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:46,800
was invisible that would you could tell

1543
01:02:50,420 --> 01:02:48,420
it was going through the water it would

1544
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:50,430
displace water and then get out and

1545
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,350
water is dripping off of whatever the

1546
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:54,240
heck it was it would go through their

1547
01:02:58,340 --> 01:02:56,310
cattle scared the hell out of their

1548
01:02:59,900 --> 01:02:58,350
cattle just divide the whole herd like

1549
01:03:01,850 --> 01:02:59,910
something going right through it they

1550
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:01,860
would smell it they could smell it it

1551
01:03:06,050 --> 01:03:04,260
was this powerful musk smell and

1552
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:06,060
whenever that musk smell was happening

1553
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:07,890
they knew something bad was gonna go on

1554
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:11,280
there were huge what we would call like

1555
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:14,250
crop circles burned areas big circle

1556
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:16,920
circles eight feet across in a

1557
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:18,750
triangular pattern there was one

1558
01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:20,970
incident that got picked up it's part of

1559
01:03:24,260 --> 01:03:22,380
the reason that Bob Bigelow heard about

1560
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:24,270
the ranch something went down into the

1561
01:03:30,110 --> 01:03:27,090
third homestead at night and dug dozens

1562
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:30,120
of holes big scoops hundreds of pounds

1563
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:32,010
of soil each it was like somebody took a

1564
01:03:39,350 --> 01:03:35,700
giant cookie cutter lifted and and used

1565
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:39,360
a crane to put it down there and pick up

1566
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:41,940
these hundreds of pounds of soil dozens

1567
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:44,460
of them appeared overnight they were

1568
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:46,170
still there the first time I could you

1569
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:48,180
could still see him the first time I was

1570
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,850
visiting they had a UFO that came up

1571
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:52,640
that over that same part of the property

1572
01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:55,020
the rancher kind of joked about it it

1573
01:03:58,839 --> 01:03:57,230
was pilot error that clipped

1574
01:04:02,260 --> 01:03:58,849
the tops off of these top cottonwood

1575
01:04:03,819 --> 01:04:02,270
trees 56 50 or so feet of the top of

1576
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:03,829
these trees were chopped off and it was

1577
01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:06,740
a big like a little you left in the tops

1578
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:10,940
of these trees all of this is of course

1579
01:04:17,290 --> 01:04:14,000
taking a toll on the family I having a

1580
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:17,300
hard time with it by the time the knids

1581
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,630
guys arrived the story of those those

1582
01:04:24,819 --> 01:04:23,359
cookie cutter soil things a photo was

1583
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:24,829
taken it gets picked up by the local

1584
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,710
paper then by The Associated Press and a

1585
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,599
story is done Zak van Eyck I think of

1586
01:04:34,030 --> 01:04:32,000
Deseret news to some stories about this

1587
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:34,040
UFO ranch where some weird stuff had

1588
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:35,930
happened the rancher meets with him he

1589
01:04:39,940 --> 01:04:38,210
tells him about UFOs and he tells him

1590
01:04:41,890 --> 01:04:39,950
about the mutilations but he doesn't

1591
01:04:43,810 --> 01:04:41,900
tell him these other stories and so when

1592
01:04:45,310 --> 01:04:43,820
we came out with that stuff a lot of

1593
01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:45,320
people didn't thought we were making it

1594
01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:48,670
up but we weren't the families messed up

1595
01:04:53,620 --> 01:04:51,260
by the time knids arrived they're all

1596
01:04:57,339 --> 01:04:53,630
sleeping in the same room on the floor

1597
01:04:58,900 --> 01:04:57,349
at night for safety and comfort the kids

1598
01:05:00,700 --> 01:04:58,910
who'd been straight-a students were on

1599
01:05:02,410 --> 01:05:00,710
the verge of dropping out of school the

1600
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,420
wife had been vice-president of the bank

1601
01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:05,119
had lost her job the dad's about ready

1602
01:05:09,550 --> 01:05:07,190
to lose it he thinks it's a government

1603
01:05:11,410 --> 01:05:09,560
or he's starting to suspect that

1604
01:05:13,870 --> 01:05:11,420
something beyond government because of

1605
01:05:16,270 --> 01:05:13,880
the other things that that happened

1606
01:05:19,089 --> 01:05:16,280
there he's on the phone one night with

1607
01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:19,099
the friend of mine in Las Vegas he's got

1608
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:21,800
these three big dogs big tough country

1609
01:05:27,609 --> 01:05:24,890
dogs that are chasing one of these Blue

1610
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:27,619
Meanies these blue orbs this thing is

1611
01:05:32,050 --> 01:05:30,170
floating just above the heads of these

1612
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:32,060
dogs who are jumping up and snapping at

1613
01:05:37,870 --> 01:05:35,150
it and it's leading the dogs across the

1614
01:05:39,819 --> 01:05:37,880
pasture and he's telling mr. big lo he

1615
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:39,829
says hey something's happening here I

1616
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,290
got to go he hangs up the phone and

1617
01:05:46,750 --> 01:05:44,240
right at that point this this blue thing

1618
01:05:49,809 --> 01:05:46,760
led the dogs into the brush and out of

1619
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:49,819
his line of sight and then he hears

1620
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,839
these shrieks and the dogs are gone he

1621
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:56,480
goes out there and looks and on the spot

1622
01:06:01,180 --> 01:05:58,130
where the dogs had gone into the brush

1623
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:01,190
there's these three greasy spots on the

1624
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:04,310
ground the animals never came back it

1625
01:06:09,069 --> 01:06:06,470
looks like they'd been vaporized by

1626
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:09,079
something that was pretty much it for

1627
01:06:12,819 --> 01:06:10,940
the family they'd they'd had enough

1628
01:06:15,309 --> 01:06:12,829
I'll tell you another thing that it

1629
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:15,319
happened the word starts to get out

1630
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:16,970
about the ranch before the knids guys

1631
01:06:22,299 --> 01:06:20,480
arrived and people start showing up

1632
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,309
there's like men and black type people

1633
01:06:27,309 --> 01:06:24,799
around the periphery watching

1634
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:27,319
there are overflights of strange not

1635
01:06:30,819 --> 01:06:29,329
just UFO is just strange craft black

1636
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:30,829
helicopters that kind of stuff right out

1637
01:06:39,250 --> 01:06:37,010
of right out of UFO lore and again it

1638
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:39,260
felt like they were being watched so one

1639
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:41,569
day this guy shows up at the front gate

1640
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:44,270
and gets the attention of the rancher he

1641
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:45,920
says I've driven he looks like Grizzly

1642
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:49,220
Adams big husky due to the big beard

1643
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:51,500
he says I've driven hundreds of miles

1644
01:06:56,859 --> 01:06:53,510
here I've been drawn to this property

1645
01:06:59,440 --> 01:06:56,869
can you let me meditate out here the

1646
01:07:02,049 --> 01:06:59,450
ranchers aren't you crazy come on man

1647
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:02,059
and he keeps he's insisting please you

1648
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:03,650
know I'll leave my car here you can drop

1649
01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:05,510
me wherever you want and I'll get away I

1650
01:07:07,809 --> 01:07:06,740
just want to do it for a couple of them

1651
01:07:09,789 --> 01:07:07,819
you know half an hour or something like

1652
01:07:11,620 --> 01:07:09,799
that they finally talked him into it he

1653
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:11,630
in the Sun let the guy get in their

1654
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:12,980
truck they drive them to the middle

1655
01:07:19,690 --> 01:07:17,930
homestead my chair and the guy is like

1656
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:19,700
looking at the sky and chanting and

1657
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:21,710
stuff and the rancher and his kid or

1658
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,210
lean on their truck and looking what

1659
01:07:27,309 --> 01:07:26,000
this crazy sob is doing they're getting

1660
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:27,319
it could chuckle out of it and then they

1661
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:31,130
hear a noise they hear a cowbell in the

1662
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:33,770
brush out there ding-a-ling-a-ling they

1663
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,210
don't have any cow bells on their cows

1664
01:07:39,609 --> 01:07:37,039
they're hearing this noise and they

1665
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:39,619
start seeing something Oh cake moving

1666
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:41,750
through the brush can't quite make out a

1667
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,970
figure of it like what is going on this

1668
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:45,680
guy's oblivious to it he's talking to

1669
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:47,930
the cosmos and this suddenly this thing

1670
01:07:54,130 --> 01:07:50,990
comes out of the brush it's like the

1671
01:07:56,349 --> 01:07:54,140
movie predator where they the camouflage

1672
01:07:58,839 --> 01:07:56,359
technology is used that's what this

1673
01:08:00,579 --> 01:07:58,849
thing looks like it it bends light it

1674
01:08:02,410 --> 01:08:00,589
comes right up to this guy who's still

1675
01:08:03,849 --> 01:08:02,420
got his eyes closed and it lets out a

1676
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:03,859
roar right in front of his face this

1677
01:08:07,539 --> 01:08:06,230
roar you could hear for like a mile I

1678
01:08:11,010 --> 01:08:07,549
like a lion

1679
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:11,020
this guy just about shits his pants

1680
01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:12,650
pardon me

1681
01:08:17,950 --> 01:08:15,260
he flies in the back he flies under

1682
01:08:19,780 --> 01:08:17,960
lands on the ground this thing goes back

1683
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:19,790
into the bushes the rancher and his son

1684
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:21,650
come over are you okay he grabs on to

1685
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:23,230
the rancher he won't let go get

1686
01:08:27,630 --> 01:08:24,940
me the hell out of here this place is

1687
01:08:29,249 --> 01:08:27,640
cursed its demons and they take him to

1688
01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:29,259
the front gate and he's yelling and

1689
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:32,350
screaming the whole way but that was the

1690
01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:34,330
story I was told before they put me on

1691
01:08:40,499 --> 01:08:35,830
the chair right in that spot so I was

1692
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:40,509
thinking I'm good with UFOs orbs fine no

1693
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:44,080
predator please so there were a lot of

1694
01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:45,580
those kinds of things that really messed

1695
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,470
with the family when Bob Bigelow sees

1696
01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:49,120
the story that had been picked up a

1697
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:50,950
Associated Press he wastes no time he

1698
01:08:54,329 --> 01:08:52,359
hops on a plane he goes to see the

1699
01:08:56,190 --> 01:08:54,339
rancher he brings colum Kelleher and

1700
01:08:58,440 --> 01:08:56,200
John Alexander with him they hear these

1701
01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:58,450
stories it takes a while to win his

1702
01:09:04,979 --> 01:09:00,370
trust and then they said how about if I

1703
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:04,989
buy the ranch and the guy says sold the

1704
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:07,480
family Bigelow got him a place somewhere

1705
01:09:12,210 --> 01:09:09,940
else in the same area the rancher was

1706
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:12,220
not ready to give up this guy is tough

1707
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,200
he doesn't want to be run off his

1708
01:09:18,809 --> 01:09:16,480
property so they hired him to stay on as

1709
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:18,819
the ranch manager and they bought

1710
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:20,290
another herd of cattle it might have

1711
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,089
been his herd of cattle and left him out

1712
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:23,920
there sorta as bait to see what would

1713
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:25,390
come and get him and then the mid

1714
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:27,670
scientists needs is the National

1715
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:29,710
Institute for discovery science Bob

1716
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:30,910
Bigelow created this organization

1717
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:34,000
because it was basically dissatisfied

1718
01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:37,839
with the major UFO organizations that

1719
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:39,670
he'd offer him a million dollars to do

1720
01:09:45,870 --> 01:09:41,980
some quality work it's a long story but

1721
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:45,880
they they screwed it up and so he formed

1722
01:09:49,499 --> 01:09:47,380
his own organization and some of these

1723
01:09:51,420 --> 01:09:49,509
people were world-class a couple of

1724
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:51,430
astronauts one man who had been on the

1725
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:54,850
moon two US senators a really amazing

1726
01:09:58,920 --> 01:09:56,110
group of people that's a science

1727
01:10:00,570 --> 01:09:58,930
advisory board and then they had rapid

1728
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,580
response teams people like Colin

1729
01:10:05,729 --> 01:10:03,520
Kelleher Eric Davis veterinarians

1730
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:05,739
trackers if they had an outbreak of

1731
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:07,510
mutilations somewhere they put him on a

1732
01:10:11,010 --> 01:10:09,489
plane and send him there take samples

1733
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:11,020
send it to labs try to figure this stuff

1734
01:10:14,970 --> 01:10:13,300
out same thing with UFO hot spots

1735
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:14,980
they're doing what science is supposed

1736
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:17,260
to do and they did the same thing with

1737
01:10:21,420 --> 01:10:19,960
the ranch so Bigelow buys the ranch the

1738
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:21,430
science advisory board has a big

1739
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,340
argument about what approach to take

1740
01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:26,560
with this place that is essentially a

1741
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:29,560
paranormal living lab part of the

1742
01:10:33,690 --> 01:10:31,450
science advisory board had suggested

1743
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:33,700
well maybe we go in saw maybe we go in

1744
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:36,130
without a lot of technology and just

1745
01:10:40,649 --> 01:10:38,230
of try to interact with whatever it is

1746
01:10:42,959 --> 01:10:40,659
psychically or use shaman or something

1747
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:42,969
like that the other guys that wanted to

1748
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:44,590
go in and put sensors and cameras and

1749
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:46,780
equipment and try to measure things the

1750
01:10:50,490 --> 01:10:48,610
way science would do that's the side

1751
01:10:52,919 --> 01:10:50,500
that went one out so when they came in

1752
01:10:55,169 --> 01:10:52,929
they installed a trailer that was filled

1753
01:10:57,930 --> 01:10:55,179
with equipment all kinds of sensory gear

1754
01:11:00,450 --> 01:10:57,940
and they put cameras up on poles that

1755
01:11:02,629 --> 01:11:00,460
would have a wide swath of the property

1756
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:02,639
so they could sort sort of detect and

1757
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:05,050
record images of weird stuff that went

1758
01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:06,790
on and they did what science is supposed

1759
01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:08,620
to do they interviewed the family they

1760
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:10,060
endured they investigated their

1761
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:11,650
background they found out that they were

1762
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:13,179
solid citizens they interviewed the

1763
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:15,730
neighbors they interviewed the the tribe

1764
01:11:19,649 --> 01:11:17,560
they found out they gathered information

1765
01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:19,659
they they checked the property for

1766
01:11:24,209 --> 01:11:21,969
geomagnetic anomalies they look for any

1767
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:24,219
hallucinogenic plants that might inspire

1768
01:11:29,790 --> 01:11:27,520
Helou you know psychedelic images and

1769
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:29,800
hallucinations didn't find any that they

1770
01:11:33,149 --> 01:11:31,510
did what science is supposed to do they

1771
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:33,159
didn't have an agenda they weren't there

1772
01:11:36,930 --> 01:11:35,230
to prove that UFOs are real or ETS are

1773
01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:36,940
here because they don't know what it was

1774
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:39,900
and they still don't know

1775
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,120
so they come in like gangbusters and the

1776
01:11:47,129 --> 01:11:44,800
stuff starts happening to them and

1777
01:11:49,470 --> 01:11:47,139
they're there interacting at the same

1778
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:49,480
time with the with the rancher they

1779
01:11:54,689 --> 01:11:51,310
start seeing the same things the balls

1780
01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:54,699
of light but it's always just out it it

1781
01:11:59,820 --> 01:11:57,340
operates under its own rules and it was

1782
01:12:01,470 --> 01:11:59,830
always just outside a camera range they

1783
01:12:03,870 --> 01:12:01,480
had a lot of equipment malfunctions

1784
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:03,880
batteries would die vehicles would die

1785
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:05,800
at the same points in the property

1786
01:12:10,919 --> 01:12:07,630
they'd have compasses that would just go

1787
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:10,929
crazy there was a lot of really weird

1788
01:12:18,629 --> 01:12:13,260
measurable stuff whatever this thing was

1789
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:18,639
is it's physical it did physical things

1790
01:12:23,129 --> 01:12:20,710
it certainly did physical things to the

1791
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,139
land to the animals to the people who

1792
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,360
live there and it was non-physical it

1793
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:27,280
was psychic metaphysical whatever you

1794
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,010
want to call it it was all of the above

1795
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:32,080
this was not just a UFO story it was a

1796
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:35,320
whole range and category of really weird

1797
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:38,530
stuff among the strange things that the

1798
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:40,540
rancher had seen in the sky were these

1799
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:44,770
really big almost like a Sun a big

1800
01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:46,750
orange orb that would appear once in a

1801
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:49,420
while on the property and he would get

1802
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:50,080
out of his

1803
01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:52,210
an on occasion you look through these

1804
01:12:56,940 --> 01:12:54,430
orange orbs they're not orbs at all like

1805
01:13:00,209 --> 01:12:56,950
a hole in the sky and on the other side

1806
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:00,219
was another sky and it was different it

1807
01:13:03,630 --> 01:13:01,930
was daytime here it's nighttime over

1808
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:03,640
there if it was daytime there was

1809
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:06,070
nighttime here and occasionally he would

1810
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:08,710
see things flying in and out of what

1811
01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:10,810
looked like a portal at other times on

1812
01:13:14,729 --> 01:13:12,670
the property he'd see these amorphous

1813
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:14,739
yellowish balls of light that would

1814
01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:17,410
appear at different times in association

1815
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:19,630
with phenomena when these balls of light

1816
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:22,330
would appear floating over the over the

1817
01:13:27,959 --> 01:13:24,850
pasture weird stuff would happen

1818
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:27,969
creatures would appear well one night

1819
01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:30,930
while the knids guys are on the property

1820
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:34,150
they have an experience with one of

1821
01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:36,330
these yellow balls of light that

1822
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:39,820
strongly suggested to them that the

1823
01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:40,239
ranch

1824
01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:45,640
is a highway a portal are really a live

1825
01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:49,000
road to other realities we'll play the

1826
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,060
clip ground zero for odds sightings was

1827
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:54,400
always the middle homestead at nights

1828
01:13:58,890 --> 01:13:56,710
lights and orbs could be seen floating

1829
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,900
through the creaky old buildings it's

1830
01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:00,880
also where the rancher had multiple

1831
01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:03,100
sightings of the most puzzling object an

1832
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:06,520
orange glowing hole in the sky Gorman

1833
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:09,010
told Kelleher and others the orange ball

1834
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:11,290
seemed to be a portal and on the other

1835
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:14,110
side was a quote different sky on at

1836
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:16,090
least one occasion the rancher saw a

1837
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:19,090
smaller object fly out of the orange orb

1838
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:21,910
into the sky over his property the

1839
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:24,100
exotic possibility that the ranch might

1840
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:26,260
be a portal to another world has

1841
01:14:31,620 --> 01:14:28,450
occurred many times to the knids team

1842
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:31,630
but how to prove it in August 1996 the

1843
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:34,120
portal Theory erupted again in a stark

1844
01:14:38,190 --> 01:14:36,370
demonstration the rancher and an

1845
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:38,200
investigator were conducting a night

1846
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:40,420
surveillance atop the ridges they

1847
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,730
spotted a hovering ball of light in the

1848
01:14:47,210 --> 01:14:45,040
middle homestead an object that was seen

1849
01:14:51,140 --> 01:14:47,220
four feet off the ground

1850
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:51,150
that it looked like a dull yellow light

1851
01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:54,060
I mean it was innocuous hovering over

1852
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:56,040
the road it just appeared out of nowhere

1853
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,900
and then it begins to expand and grow

1854
01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:00,060
and then it opens up into about a

1855
01:15:03,620 --> 01:15:02,580
approximately three foot wide openings

1856
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:03,630
they turned on the night-vision

1857
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:06,810
equipment they had and lo and behold

1858
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:09,060
everything from a dull yellow light

1859
01:15:12,260 --> 01:15:10,890
became like a three dimensional it

1860
01:15:15,020 --> 01:15:12,270
looked like a three dimensional tunnel

1861
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:15,030
that was just you know hovering over the

1862
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:17,010
ground where there's a light shining

1863
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:19,410
from coming out from within this opening

1864
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:21,090
on the other side of the opening that's

1865
01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:22,560
just the natural background of the ranch

1866
01:15:25,780 --> 01:15:23,790
they see the road they see the grass

1867
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:25,790
from the pasture and so forth slowly

1868
01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:28,470
this incident unfolded where they saw

1869
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:30,360
this what looked like a humanoid

1870
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:34,290
creature crawling literally elbowing his

1871
01:15:39,290 --> 01:15:36,690
or her way through this this tunnel

1872
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:39,300
hovering four feet above the ground and

1873
01:15:44,210 --> 01:15:42,210
out of this opening crawls a very large

1874
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:44,220
what I understood to be an 8-foot tall

1875
01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:47,010
black creature with the head and no neck

1876
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:49,710
and a torso arms and legs no details her

1877
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:51,570
features noted on it there was a second

1878
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:53,370
witness standing right beside the other

1879
01:15:58,970 --> 01:15:55,560
guy with the the infrared technology all

1880
01:16:00,710 --> 01:15:58,980
he could see was a dull yellow light

1881
01:16:03,170 --> 01:16:00,720
that had expanded to about four feet in

1882
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:03,180
diameter it just literally grabbed the

1883
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:04,770
outside edges of this opening pulled

1884
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,900
itself through came out stepped onto the

1885
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:08,940
dirt road and ran off into the darkness

1886
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:13,050
the creature stood up once it got out

1887
01:16:16,940 --> 01:16:15,330
onto the ground and walked away into the

1888
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:16,950
darkness I mean can you imagine two

1889
01:16:23,780 --> 01:16:20,310
people on the top of a cliff or a sort

1890
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:23,790
of a a bluff 150 feet off the ground in

1891
01:16:28,730 --> 01:16:26,460
the middle of nowhere and then the

1892
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:28,740
opening began to shrink and collapse in

1893
01:16:32,150 --> 01:16:29,970
on itself and turn into a brilliant

1894
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:32,160
light that just faded away that's a

1895
01:16:36,710 --> 01:16:33,690
perfect description that was given by

1896
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,720
Matt Visser and John Kramer and Bob

1897
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:39,120
forward and other colleagues there's in

1898
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:41,610
a physical review paper on the optical

1899
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:44,940
nature of wormholes I mean that is not I

1900
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:46,770
would say military technology that's

1901
01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:49,260
some kind of a phenomena that has it

1902
01:16:54,799 --> 01:16:52,500
smacks of interdimensional phenomena

1903
01:16:56,629 --> 01:16:54,809
we don't know what it is that was one

1904
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,639
theory that it certainly sounds like

1905
01:17:01,040 --> 01:16:58,920
it's a portal as we understand it but

1906
01:17:02,750 --> 01:17:01,050
really that stuff is over my head those

1907
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:02,760
guys don't know their this you know

1908
01:17:06,919 --> 01:17:04,980
throwing out one idea and telling you

1909
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:06,929
what they actually saw they had some

1910
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:09,150
really harrowing encounters on the

1911
01:17:14,089 --> 01:17:11,820
property themselves there was so those

1912
01:17:15,529 --> 01:17:14,099
two guys were walking again in the

1913
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:15,539
middle homestead at night they have a

1914
01:17:21,529 --> 01:17:19,500
couple of dogs with them and the dogs

1915
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:21,539
suddenly go behind their legs they're

1916
01:17:25,790 --> 01:17:23,070
hiding they're scared of something and

1917
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:25,800
up at the top of the trees they see this

1918
01:17:31,459 --> 01:17:29,010
dark cloud that's that's floating it's

1919
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:31,469
floating across the trees getting bigger

1920
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:33,690
and bigger and it stops right in front

1921
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:37,530
of them and they they freeze and this

1922
01:17:44,089 --> 01:17:41,880
thing Eric Davis who's a PhD physicist

1923
01:17:46,609 --> 01:17:44,099
brilliant man who's worked for top

1924
01:17:48,919 --> 01:17:46,619
secret labs and things he's frozen and

1925
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:48,929
suddenly another voice comes out of him

1926
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:51,960
it's not his it's them we're watching

1927
01:17:58,459 --> 01:17:55,679
you he's saying this we're watching you

1928
01:18:00,379 --> 01:17:58,469
calm is looking at him what and it's not

1929
01:18:02,930 --> 01:18:00,389
him it's somebody else speaking through

1930
01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:02,940
him in a different voice he snaps out of

1931
01:18:08,180 --> 01:18:05,219
it after a couple of minutes the kraut

1932
01:18:10,129 --> 01:18:08,190
cloud goes away Eric was messed up for a

1933
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:10,139
couple of days having terrible dreams

1934
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,570
couldn't sleep but it was a real thing

1935
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:13,920
you know there were uh there were other

1936
01:18:18,589 --> 01:18:16,710
weird things that they investigated son

1937
01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:18,599
you know we put we decided when we wrote

1938
01:18:23,209 --> 01:18:20,630
the book we're gonna put them all in and

1939
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:23,219
people can sort it out themselves the

1940
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:25,860
only incident that we hesitated about

1941
01:18:32,899 --> 01:18:28,170
that we argued about maybe leaving out

1942
01:18:35,450 --> 01:18:32,909
as this one to Native American the

1943
01:18:36,979 --> 01:18:35,460
police officers are driving through

1944
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,989
their range I told you the whole ranch

1945
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,880
is surrounded by tribal land there's a

1946
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,800
road there's a paved road that leads to

1947
01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:42,480
the dirt road that leads into the ranch

1948
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,550
they're coming around the bend it's

1949
01:18:50,689 --> 01:18:46,880
nighttime and they see two figures

1950
01:18:53,540 --> 01:18:50,699
standing right at the bend there their

1951
01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:53,550
backs are to the road the guys shined

1952
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:54,750
their lights over there what are these

1953
01:19:01,399 --> 01:18:58,530
two guys up to to six foot tall guys in

1954
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:01,409
trench coats smoking cigarettes they

1955
01:19:04,450 --> 01:19:03,090
shine the light over to them the guys

1956
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:04,460
turn around their heads

1957
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:08,630
they're dogs I know I'm not I'm not

1958
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:09,199
making that up

1959
01:19:14,110 --> 01:19:12,080
they're dogs they're a dog faces these

1960
01:19:17,410 --> 01:19:14,120
these Indian cops look at each other

1961
01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:17,420
holy crap they look back dogs are going

1962
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:19,940
trenchcoats gone they get out of the car

1963
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,000
cigarettes still burning on the ground

1964
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:24,800
now we thought maybe we'll leave that

1965
01:19:27,070 --> 01:19:25,280
one out

1966
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:27,080
that sounds pretty crazy but you know

1967
01:19:31,090 --> 01:19:28,880
what I mean since the book came out in

1968
01:19:33,580 --> 01:19:31,100
2005 there's all kinds of dog man

1969
01:19:37,630 --> 01:19:33,590
stories that we've been hearing from

1970
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:37,640
around the country so we kept it in you

1971
01:19:40,899 --> 01:19:38,960
know the needs guys tried to communicate

1972
01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:40,909
with whatever it was they had different

1973
01:19:44,370 --> 01:19:42,409
experiments that they tried to talk to

1974
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:44,380
whatever it is and that that failed

1975
01:19:49,419 --> 01:19:47,150
after a while of hunting the skinwalker

1976
01:19:51,490 --> 01:19:49,429
the skinwalker got tired of the game and

1977
01:19:54,459 --> 01:19:51,500
decided I'm going away and the activity

1978
01:19:57,250 --> 01:19:54,469
plummeted it went underground and the

1979
01:20:00,880 --> 01:19:57,260
the phenomena seemed to make a statement

1980
01:20:02,979 --> 01:20:00,890
that it was tired of this one thing it

1981
01:20:05,620 --> 01:20:02,989
did well let's play this other clip

1982
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:05,630
about phenomena first this is a song

1983
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:07,489
that Jeremy put together about this nude

1984
01:20:17,140 --> 01:20:13,489
study in 1978 a local newspaper reported

1985
01:20:19,959 --> 01:20:17,150
high activity in the UN to basin silver

1986
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:19,969
dome shaped objects were seeing flying

1987
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:23,270
saucers some witnesses observing the

1988
01:20:29,140 --> 01:20:25,790
display from close proximity from

1989
01:20:32,169 --> 01:20:29,150
underneath the craft UFOs were buzzing

1990
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:32,179
the locals with jagged green lights like

1991
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:38,869
[Music]

1992
01:20:44,939 --> 01:20:42,270
nothing really changes is constantly the

1993
01:20:47,459 --> 01:20:44,949
phenomenon is engaging people it's a

1994
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:47,469
pattern of close encounters it's

1995
01:20:56,219 --> 01:20:53,369
commonplace people hunt the cause

1996
01:20:57,869 --> 01:20:56,229
scientists investigate the carnage the

1997
01:21:09,540 --> 01:20:57,879
nits team tried to quantify the

1998
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:09,550
performances they created control

1999
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:12,010
studies for plant growth they monitored

2000
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:14,320
the environment they calculated the

2001
01:21:22,919 --> 01:21:20,169
variables they analyzed every event but

2002
01:21:25,799 --> 01:21:22,929
mostly they waited for the phenomenon to

2003
01:21:28,879 --> 01:21:25,809
express itself and the phenomenon seemed

2004
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:28,889
toy with them to play games with them

2005
01:21:37,139 --> 01:21:32,050
silence followed by dramatic displays of

2006
01:21:48,089 --> 01:21:37,149
control it did what it wanted it does

2007
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:48,099
what it wants to anybody it was

2008
01:21:50,969 --> 01:21:49,209
something that was picked up on the

2009
01:21:52,649 --> 01:21:50,979
cameras they had this there's Bank of

2010
01:21:54,659 --> 01:21:52,659
recording equipment on these cameras

2011
01:21:56,279 --> 01:21:54,669
that were recorded 24 hours a day and

2012
01:21:58,409 --> 01:21:56,289
occasionally they'd see something

2013
01:22:00,270 --> 01:21:58,419
there'd be a light in a sea of inky

2014
01:22:02,669 --> 01:22:00,280
darkness snow really worth all that much

2015
01:22:04,290 --> 01:22:02,679
that looked like the Twin Towers that

2016
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:04,300
disappeared out there and then it was

2017
01:22:09,869 --> 01:22:07,449
gone it was frustrating for the knids

2018
01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:09,879
guys the activity goes underground and

2019
01:22:16,739 --> 01:22:12,280
then it makes a couple of statements or

2020
01:22:18,689 --> 01:22:16,749
like bon voyage grand farewell the

2021
01:22:21,779 --> 01:22:18,699
cameras that are up on the on these

2022
01:22:23,639 --> 01:22:21,789
poles have a wide view there are three

2023
01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:23,649
of the poles and cameras on all of them

2024
01:22:28,529 --> 01:22:27,159
and down the the side this is the new

2025
01:22:31,009 --> 01:22:28,539
version but when did was there they had

2026
01:22:34,379 --> 01:22:31,019
these plastic covers for the wires and

2027
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:34,389
the the plastic covers were wrapped up

2028
01:22:40,529 --> 01:22:38,590
with several layers of duct tape so one

2029
01:22:42,989 --> 01:22:40,539
day the camera goes out one of these

2030
01:22:44,729 --> 01:22:42,999
cameras goes out and they go look at it

2031
01:22:47,459 --> 01:22:44,739
and it's torn to pieces it's just ripped

2032
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:47,469
to shreds the wires are ripped out

2033
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:51,310
the plastic covering is gone and and all

2034
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,410
that the tape is gone as well something

2035
01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:55,840
and really just shredded it so they

2036
01:22:58,920 --> 01:22:57,190
realize ah ha we've got the other

2037
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,930
cameras they can see this let's go back

2038
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:00,880
we'll back time it when this camera went

2039
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,350
out we'll look at the other cameras and

2040
01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:04,000
see what went up that Poland tore it up

2041
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:06,070
and they get the cameras back and look

2042
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:07,900
at it and then whatever did it was

2043
01:23:12,420 --> 01:23:10,690
invisible there's nothing there can't

2044
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,430
really make out the stuff flying around

2045
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:14,320
when they took it back and analysed it

2046
01:23:18,930 --> 01:23:16,900
later once later they were able to see a

2047
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:18,940
little tiny blue light buzzing around

2048
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:21,330
the camera when it got ripped to shreds

2049
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:25,000
it was just like a like this from the

2050
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:26,410
phenomena get out of here you're not

2051
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:26,980
welcome

2052
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:28,510
they had one other incident that we'll

2053
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:30,130
talk about me we'll do it tomorrow about

2054
01:23:37,470 --> 01:23:32,670
a nice circle that was kind of also a

2055
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,480
giveaway so needs that the activity

2056
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:39,040
stops they don't really have any other

2057
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:41,620
places that are hotspots knids itself

2058
01:23:47,729 --> 01:23:43,930
goes underground Bob Bigelow dissolved

2059
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:47,739
at about 2004 and they don't really have

2060
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:49,449
any conclusions about the ranch they

2061
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:51,070
can't publish a paper about it who's

2062
01:23:55,290 --> 01:23:53,050
going to publish it what would they say

2063
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:55,300
they don't know what this was how do you

2064
01:23:59,580 --> 01:23:56,770
describe it all these different

2065
01:24:01,680 --> 01:23:59,590
activities it's almost as if weird on

2066
01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:01,690
purpose so that nobody would take it

2067
01:24:09,689 --> 01:24:04,600
seriously but that wasn't the end of the

2068
01:24:12,090 --> 01:24:09,699
study in 2007 a guy from the DIA the

2069
01:24:14,939 --> 01:24:12,100
Defense Intelligence Agency reads the

2070
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:14,949
book he contacts mr. Bigelow says I'd

2071
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:16,330
like to go to the ranch I think there's

2072
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:19,210
something there for us to look at he

2073
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:21,370
goes to the ranch he has an experience

2074
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:23,170
he's not there 15 minutes and he sees

2075
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:25,480
his weird ball of light in the living

2076
01:24:30,959 --> 01:24:27,850
room or he's talking to the ranch lady

2077
01:24:32,670 --> 01:24:30,969
no the wife who's the caretaker he

2078
01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:32,680
doesn't say anything at the time goes

2079
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:35,140
back to Washington meets with Senator

2080
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:38,010
Harry Reid of Nevada guy that I

2081
01:24:42,930 --> 01:24:40,810
introduced to the UFO topic some years

2082
01:24:45,540 --> 01:24:42,940
ago and he's secretly been a UFO buff

2083
01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:45,550
for the last thirty years or so he had

2084
01:24:52,290 --> 01:24:49,140
met with Bigelow he had talked to other

2085
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:52,300
scientist about his interest this dia

2086
01:24:56,669 --> 01:24:54,730
guy had proposed let's do a study let's

2087
01:25:00,600 --> 01:24:56,679
study something more than just lights in

2088
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:00,610
the sky shapes and saucers and things of

2089
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:00,970
that sort

2090
01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:03,370
let's look at something bigger because

2091
01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:05,560
it looks like from the experiences of

2092
01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:07,540
the ranch that these things are somehow

2093
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:10,150
interconnected Harry Reid goes to some

2094
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:11,830
colleagues gets the money for it they

2095
01:25:14,820 --> 01:25:12,850
put it out the bid

2096
01:25:16,830 --> 01:25:14,830
Bigelow Aerospace of course bids on it

2097
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:16,840
the same people who had worked on knids

2098
01:25:20,370 --> 01:25:18,370
are a lot of the folks who work on this

2099
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:20,380
program and they set up a study in

2100
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:22,330
secret and that study focused on

2101
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:25,090
skinwalker ranch and they cover a lot of

2102
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:26,890
ground and they talked the new witnesses

2103
01:25:32,910 --> 01:25:28,690
and dug up new evidence and created

2104
01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:32,920
massive reports as and as well as a

2105
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:36,580
database that is gigantic that we may

2106
01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:39,010
never see some of the stuff that I did

2107
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,080
last night the story is material that

2108
01:25:46,710 --> 01:25:44,080
was involved with that but it's a lot of

2109
01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:46,720
you know hundreds of folio requests have

2110
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:48,670
been filed for these there are reports

2111
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,290
but I'm not sure that they're ever gonna

2112
01:25:54,810 --> 01:25:52,960
be released however we do know quite a

2113
01:25:56,670 --> 01:25:54,820
bit about what they learned and we know

2114
01:26:00,570 --> 01:25:56,680
do know that they took this seriously

2115
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:00,580
and that the idea that these various

2116
01:26:07,980 --> 01:26:05,230
phenomena UFOs Bigfoot poltergeists crop

2117
01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:07,990
circles cattle mutilations invisible

2118
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:11,470
beings orbs all that stuff is it related

2119
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:15,310
I can tell you it's all there I don't

2120
01:26:19,050 --> 01:26:16,930
know if this is trying to send us a

2121
01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:19,060
message that maybe it is all somehow

2122
01:26:23,850 --> 01:26:21,190
related or it is the same phenomena

2123
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:23,860
taking different shapes and sizes and

2124
01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:26,100
appearing to us at different times or

2125
01:26:31,340 --> 01:26:29,080
you know it just happens to be a

2126
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:31,350
paranormal Highway where all this stuff

2127
01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:34,930
intersects we don't know you know they

2128
01:26:40,010 --> 01:26:37,420
had the a tip study that was underway

2129
01:26:43,650 --> 01:26:40,020
the Pentagon that Lou Elizondo ran

2130
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,660
focused entirely on UFOs nuts-and-bolts

2131
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:45,520
craft because that's the kind of thing

2132
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:48,010
that the military is willing to support

2133
01:26:53,340 --> 01:26:50,860
if it's a perceived perceived threat to

2134
01:26:56,250 --> 01:26:53,350
ships and planes and nuclear weapons all

2135
01:26:59,850 --> 01:26:56,260
right we'll look into that but this wow

2136
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,860
wow stuff the program was killed in

2137
01:27:05,850 --> 01:27:02,560
large part because people inside the

2138
01:27:07,710 --> 01:27:05,860
Pentagon and dia number one were worried

2139
01:27:10,650 --> 01:27:07,720
that the story would get out which of

2140
01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:10,660
course it did and number two that it was

2141
01:27:14,370 --> 01:27:11,260
satanic

2142
01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:14,380
that it's demonic you know maybe it is

2143
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:14,920
maybe

2144
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:18,160
is demonic but to studying it and trying

2145
01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:19,500
to figure it out

2146
01:27:23,370 --> 01:27:22,540
invoke it that's like saying you know we

2147
01:27:25,229 --> 01:27:23,380
don't want to mention the word

2148
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:25,239
skinwalker because it might come into

2149
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:27,310
our lives but that's true

2150
01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:32,320
and it happened answers I guess are hard

2151
01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:34,390
to find you know the the property

2152
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,750
Bigelow sold the property in 2016 that's

2153
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:39,520
that's the new that's what it looks like

2154
01:27:42,630 --> 01:27:41,050
now they installed new gates there's a

2155
01:27:46,919 --> 01:27:42,640
new owner who doesn't want his identity

2156
01:27:48,450 --> 01:27:46,929
known that's that's him we we got him to

2157
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:48,460
talk to us a little bit Jeremy got him

2158
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:51,520
to talk for the camera he's trying to

2159
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:53,290
carry on the study to revive the study

2160
01:27:58,380 --> 01:27:55,210
and and once again there's been a big

2161
01:28:00,240 --> 01:27:58,390
spike in activity I say that reluctantly

2162
01:28:04,130 --> 01:28:00,250
because whenever I've said that before

2163
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:04,140
it causes all kinds of YouTube

2164
01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:06,130
investigators to go ahead and go make

2165
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:07,900
their own skinwalker movie and they go

2166
01:28:12,090 --> 01:28:10,390
on the property and they they drink beer

2167
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:12,100
and they appear in the window at night

2168
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:15,489
and take flash photos and they take

2169
01:28:19,650 --> 01:28:17,650
souvenirs one guy tore the whole gate

2170
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:19,660
off oh this is some of the security that

2171
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:21,400
was following us around the last time we

2172
01:28:26,669 --> 01:28:24,730
visited you know so I guess I'll wrap it

2173
01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:26,679
up and let you ask some questions but I

2174
01:28:30,209 --> 01:28:28,630
mean we don't know the answer nobody

2175
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:30,219
knows the answer how does all this stuff

2176
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:33,160
fit together is it et or alien well it's

2177
01:28:38,729 --> 01:28:36,790
not exactly what we think of as et is it

2178
01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:38,739
the military maybe some of it it could

2179
01:28:43,020 --> 01:28:40,380
be the military doing some sign a

2180
01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:43,030
psychological exercise that the military

2181
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:46,540
take that cow a calf and carve it up and

2182
01:28:50,490 --> 01:28:48,070
dump it back there did the military did

2183
01:28:53,220 --> 01:28:50,500
commandos get into the bathroom and take

2184
01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:53,230
the towel in the hairbrush imagine given

2185
01:28:58,410 --> 01:28:55,510
that order go go take her hairbrush and

2186
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,420
put it in the freezer the military

2187
01:29:02,280 --> 01:28:59,920
didn't do all this stuff this stuff has

2188
01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:02,290
been going on for 250 years maybe

2189
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,640
they're doing it now but they didn't

2190
01:29:09,689 --> 01:29:06,000
start it so that's not an explanation

2191
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:09,699
inter-dimensional I don't know I don't

2192
01:29:16,260 --> 01:29:14,170
know is it all related it seems like we

2193
01:29:17,820 --> 01:29:16,270
got a learning curve here that it's

2194
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:17,830
telling us that it is somehow related

2195
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:20,250
that reality isn't what it used to be

2196
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:22,690
that it's much more wondrous and

2197
01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:25,120
mysterious than we might imagine and we

2198
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,590
need to start thinking about it in those

2199
01:29:28,919 --> 01:29:28,480
kinds of terms at least I hope that's

2200
01:29:31,919 --> 01:29:28,929
what it

2201
01:29:36,030 --> 01:29:31,929
as opposed to just alien teenagers just

2202
01:29:37,740 --> 01:29:36,040
messing with us I know that there is a

2203
01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:37,750
Native American connection there is a

2204
01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:39,190
Native American connection to the other

2205
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:41,640
hotspots though that I mentioned before

2206
01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:44,110
but I don't really understand it I think

2207
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:46,900
they seem to have a better better grasp

2208
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:49,090
of this and are more comfortable with it

2209
01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:52,630
then then we are and then the rest of

2210
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:55,150
the culture but getting them to open up

2211
01:29:58,830 --> 01:29:56,890
it's been tough we have made progress

2212
01:30:00,300 --> 01:29:58,840
recently and and you'll be able to see

2213
01:30:01,919 --> 01:30:00,310
it when the film comes out but do you

2214
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:01,929
know the knids guys did what they're

2215
01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:04,570
supposed to do and that's what Jeremy

2216
01:30:08,189 --> 01:30:05,830
and I have been trying to do as well is

2217
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:08,199
to you know investigate the unexplained

2218
01:30:26,170 --> 01:30:11,290
not to explain the uninvestigated thank

2219
01:30:32,110 --> 01:30:29,710
you want to chat okay what's on your

2220
01:30:34,690 --> 01:30:32,120
mind there's a lot work that gate

2221
01:30:36,700 --> 01:30:34,700
actually been on a public road and it

2222
01:30:39,820 --> 01:30:36,710
being unlawful like in the first place

2223
01:30:41,470 --> 01:30:39,830
and I know they had tried to get the law

2224
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:41,480
change so the road was considered

2225
01:30:45,460 --> 01:30:44,480
private and make the gate legit but I

2226
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:45,470
don't know if anything happened about

2227
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:47,570
that do you know any more about this yes

2228
01:30:53,770 --> 01:30:51,650
I think officially they did that is a

2229
01:30:56,050 --> 01:30:53,780
was a public access road

2230
01:30:57,460 --> 01:30:56,060
even when Bigelow owned it but he put up

2231
01:31:00,160 --> 01:30:57,470
a gate and wouldn't let people in and

2232
01:31:03,130 --> 01:31:00,170
and got away with it when the property

2233
01:31:04,900 --> 01:31:03,140
transferred in 2016 it the whole

2234
01:31:07,480 --> 01:31:04,910
argument about whether the gate was

2235
01:31:10,900 --> 01:31:07,490
public or not started up again the owner

2236
01:31:14,410 --> 01:31:10,910
got a stay while he went to the County

2237
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:14,420
Commission and and I think Court as well

2238
01:31:20,530 --> 01:31:18,260
and he's he's a wealthy guy so I think

2239
01:31:22,630 --> 01:31:20,540
he managed to convince them that it

2240
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:22,640
needs to remain private so it has been

2241
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:25,010
officially changed and it is private

2242
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:27,260
property not a public access anymore the

2243
01:31:31,690 --> 01:31:29,930
public I think the idea that the public

2244
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:31,700
could use that road to go through

2245
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:33,850
skinwalker ranch any time it wanted to

2246
01:31:39,730 --> 01:31:36,800
terrify the owner for good reason so he

2247
01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:39,740
got to change thank you sure George one

2248
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:42,230
of the things that I really wonder about

2249
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:43,850
that I think wonder if it kind of ties

2250
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:45,470
all of this together is the idea of a

2251
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:48,770
multiverse and there's a universe that

2252
01:31:54,490 --> 01:31:51,610
could be just beside us right here and

2253
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:54,500
the difference between us and them is

2254
01:32:01,870 --> 01:31:56,930
that their atoms vibrate at a different

2255
01:32:04,330 --> 01:32:01,880
frequency and if those atoms vibrate at

2256
01:32:06,460 --> 01:32:04,340
our frequency they can skip over into

2257
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:06,470
our universe and then vibrate at that

2258
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:08,930
frequency and go back so that's one of

2259
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:11,000
the things I wonder about science and it

2260
01:32:14,290 --> 01:32:13,130
seems like physicists and scientists

2261
01:32:16,060 --> 01:32:14,300
keep coming back to that with

2262
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:16,070
mathematics I can't get away from that

2263
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:19,250
idea so I yeah I'm with you on that we

2264
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:21,290
wrote about it in the book is that one

2265
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:23,570
time what the multiverse idea was pretty

2266
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:25,130
exotic and crazy and now it's

2267
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:27,650
cutting-edge stuff I mean I would think

2268
01:32:31,660 --> 01:32:29,210
that cosmologists most of them now

2269
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,670
accept that that is distinct possibility

2270
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,440
it's consistent with string theory that

2271
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:35,840
there are other realities you know we

2272
01:32:40,060 --> 01:32:38,870
say to ourselves in that context we say

2273
01:32:42,190 --> 01:32:40,070
to ourselves we're

2274
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:42,200
all ready for the truth we want to know

2275
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:44,510
what's going on and we're thinking to

2276
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:46,490
that in the context of UFOs flying

2277
01:32:49,570 --> 01:32:48,320
saucers are here from other planets and

2278
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:49,580
I remember the first time you

2279
01:32:54,580 --> 01:32:52,520
interviewed dr. jacques ballet he had

2280
01:32:57,250 --> 01:32:54,590
said I'm gonna be really disappointed if

2281
01:33:01,420 --> 01:32:57,260
the ultimate answer to the UFO mystery

2282
01:33:04,050 --> 01:33:01,430
is merely ETS coming here from other

2283
01:33:06,460 --> 01:33:04,060
planets to visit us occasionally because

2284
01:33:08,140 --> 01:33:06,470
the evidence suggests otherwise the

2285
01:33:10,090 --> 01:33:08,150
evidence suggests we're in the middle of

2286
01:33:12,610 --> 01:33:10,100
some other intelligence whether that's

2287
01:33:14,530 --> 01:33:12,620
dimensional it's an ultra terrestrial or

2288
01:33:17,170 --> 01:33:14,540
crypto terrestrial or whatever you want

2289
01:33:18,820 --> 01:33:17,180
to call it the idea is that we live

2290
01:33:20,980 --> 01:33:18,830
among them they're here they can

2291
01:33:22,990 --> 01:33:20,990
interject themselves into our reality at

2292
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:23,000
will and there's nothing we can do about

2293
01:33:27,220 --> 01:33:25,280
it now people may be ready for truth

2294
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:27,230
about flying saucers that they're ETS

2295
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:29,410
from other planets but I am after

2296
01:33:35,020 --> 01:33:32,450
dealing with the ranch for more than 20

2297
01:33:37,330 --> 01:33:35,030
years I'm not sure we're ready for this

2298
01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:37,340
other discussion of reality the idea

2299
01:33:44,110 --> 01:33:40,310
that there is another intelligence that

2300
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:44,120
sees everything it knows what it knows

2301
01:33:48,250 --> 01:33:46,250
what you think it knows what you're

2302
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:48,260
gonna do beforehand it sees you when

2303
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:49,970
you're sleeping when you're in the

2304
01:33:58,030 --> 01:33:54,770
shower people would freak out I think I

2305
01:34:00,850 --> 01:33:58,040
think the general public this audience

2306
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:00,860
excluded I guess you're a general public

2307
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:02,330
once in a while but I think I think

2308
01:34:06,610 --> 01:34:03,770
people who are here are curious enough

2309
01:34:09,370 --> 01:34:06,620
to hear this could handle it but I think

2310
01:34:11,620 --> 01:34:09,380
a big large swaths of the population

2311
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:11,630
would have trouble with it maybe that is

2312
01:34:19,780 --> 01:34:12,880
the answer the multiverse

2313
01:34:21,730 --> 01:34:19,790
extra-dimensional so I don't know is the

2314
01:34:23,170 --> 01:34:21,740
third homestead also just abandoned how

2315
01:34:25,630 --> 01:34:23,180
long has it been since people lived

2316
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:25,640
there how many things happen there do

2317
01:34:28,780 --> 01:34:27,110
things come from there go to there

2318
01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:28,790
what's the deal with the third homestead

2319
01:34:35,530 --> 01:34:33,200
it is abandoned it is has been abandoned

2320
01:34:38,740 --> 01:34:35,540
I sing I think it was built in the 1920s

2321
01:34:41,650 --> 01:34:38,750
so it's been empty since maybe the 1950s

2322
01:34:43,390 --> 01:34:41,660
the current owner of the ranch has had a

2323
01:34:45,970 --> 01:34:43,400
team of historians that have looked back

2324
01:34:47,470 --> 01:34:45,980
into the records and have located the

2325
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:47,480
family members of the people who built

2326
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:49,610
that third homestead the third homestead

2327
01:34:53,050 --> 01:34:51,170
was actually the first one it's the

2328
01:34:53,310 --> 01:34:53,060
smallest and then the second one and

2329
01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:53,320
then

2330
01:34:57,300 --> 01:34:55,300
the current house is the is the youngest

2331
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,310
but the people who live there have a

2332
01:35:02,460 --> 01:34:59,440
really there's a great family story

2333
01:35:03,870 --> 01:35:02,470
about what we'd call a men in black guy

2334
01:35:06,150 --> 01:35:03,880
showing up in the middle of a snowstorm

2335
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:06,160
being invited in he was like really

2336
01:35:11,010 --> 01:35:08,530
weird wearing really weird clothes from

2337
01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:11,020
the future and then he said they said

2338
01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:12,310
you do we need to give you a ride to

2339
01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:15,100
town no I'm fine and he walks out they

2340
01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:18,040
they opened the door and he's gone he's

2341
01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:22,030
gone and then the the Meijer family that

2342
01:35:27,390 --> 01:35:24,640
has have made statements since the book

2343
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:27,400
came out we we never had any problem we

2344
01:35:31,620 --> 01:35:30,130
didn't install all those locks we didn't

2345
01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:31,630
have guard dogs we never saw anything

2346
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:34,150
but people around them in their own

2347
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,250
family that neighbors who knew them said

2348
01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:38,800
they did in fact have experiences I just

2349
01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:40,060
didn't want to deal with it anymore and

2350
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:43,060
didn't want to talk about it and while

2351
01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:44,890
they were there they seemingly came to

2352
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:47,560
an accommodation with whatever it is the

2353
01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:48,850
same is true for the husband and wife

2354
01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:50,620
who live on the ranch now there they

2355
01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:52,390
were the caretakers for a couple of

2356
01:35:57,690 --> 01:35:54,430
years under Bob Bigelow and they have

2357
01:36:00,510 --> 01:35:57,700
stayed on with the new owner and they

2358
01:36:02,730 --> 01:36:00,520
see stuff all the time they don't talk

2359
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:02,740
about it and it doesn't seem to bother

2360
01:36:07,530 --> 01:36:05,530
them too much there is an incident in

2361
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:07,540
their past where it it seems to have

2362
01:36:11,610 --> 01:36:09,010
caused some physical harm but they've

2363
01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:11,620
moved on from it so whatever this thing

2364
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:14,380
is you can learn to live with it and it

2365
01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:17,770
again it shows itself to you it it sets

2366
01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:20,260
the rules one other thing I want to

2367
01:36:26,340 --> 01:36:23,800
mention is that what's on the ranch

2368
01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:26,350
doesn't stay on the ranch it follows

2369
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:31,240
people the the agents who were part of

2370
01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:34,690
the study conducted for the DIA who were

2371
01:36:38,910 --> 01:36:36,910
on the property all had experiences and

2372
01:36:41,820 --> 01:36:38,920
it seemed like people who brought guns

2373
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:41,830
on the property the tough folks commando

2374
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:45,460
types who these were they all had

2375
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:47,410
experiences there and it followed them

2376
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:50,050
home and it's it's seven or eight years

2377
01:36:55,230 --> 01:36:51,970
later it's still messing with them now

2378
01:36:58,920 --> 01:36:55,240
and it it shows itself to family members

2379
01:37:03,030 --> 01:36:58,930
scares that a lot of people creatures

2380
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:03,040
appear stuff flies around the room wine

2381
01:37:05,140 --> 01:37:04,510
bottles break on the wall that kind of

2382
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:05,150
stuff

2383
01:37:10,780 --> 01:37:08,510
has happened to them and is ongoing and

2384
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:10,790
it happened to the Gorman's when they

2385
01:37:16,750 --> 01:37:14,000
moved out of the area they moved to

2386
01:37:20,979 --> 01:37:16,760
Idaho and it followed them for a while

2387
01:37:21,370 --> 01:37:20,989
too so it's a it's not to be trifled

2388
01:37:23,229 --> 01:37:21,380
with

2389
01:37:24,970 --> 01:37:23,239
I know we're sitting here talking about

2390
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:24,980
it and it's kind of fun but it's a it's

2391
01:37:30,250 --> 01:37:27,440
spooky and it's weird and we don't know

2392
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:30,260
what its priorities or goals are we can

2393
01:37:38,530 --> 01:37:33,679
only guess did you do any excavation of

2394
01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:38,540
the ground or anybody else dig down to

2395
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:41,830
see if there was an ancient foundation

2396
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:43,850
not to my knowledge there were

2397
01:37:47,140 --> 01:37:45,710
discussions of that and then it never

2398
01:37:48,580 --> 01:37:47,150
went anywhere there were discussions

2399
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:48,590
about getting ground-penetrating radar

2400
01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:51,770
to look in a couple of it's a 480 acres

2401
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:54,020
it's a big ranch but there's one

2402
01:38:01,120 --> 01:37:57,920
particular area mr. Bigelow John

2403
01:38:02,770 --> 01:38:01,130
Alexander had and how put off who was an

2404
01:38:05,290 --> 01:38:02,780
advisor to the science advisory board

2405
01:38:07,090 --> 01:38:05,300
had been involved with the remote

2406
01:38:09,310 --> 01:38:07,100
viewing program knew all these remote

2407
01:38:11,919 --> 01:38:09,320
viewers the ones that really know their

2408
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:11,929
stuff and had worked for CIA and the

2409
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:13,489
Pentagon and they got a couple of those

2410
01:38:17,260 --> 01:38:15,050
guys to take a look at it and they all

2411
01:38:19,450 --> 01:38:17,270
seemed to look at the same place in fact

2412
01:38:20,860 --> 01:38:19,460
I engaged a team or remote viewers to

2413
01:38:22,959 --> 01:38:20,870
take a look at the property they all

2414
01:38:25,180 --> 01:38:22,969
looked at the same place the team that I

2415
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:25,190
got involved they they saw military

2416
01:38:32,770 --> 01:38:29,210
folks underground and with banks of

2417
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,780
equipment the the one remote viewer the

2418
01:38:36,820 --> 01:38:34,480
best remote viewer in the world

2419
01:38:39,010 --> 01:38:36,830
identified a particular part of the the

2420
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:39,020
ranch in the third homestead that was

2421
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:40,850
just he gets got he didn't know what it

2422
01:38:45,729 --> 01:38:43,610
was but it was dark and he suggested if

2423
01:38:46,930 --> 01:38:45,739
you got a dig to dig there to my

2424
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:46,940
knowledge that never happened and they

2425
01:38:53,470 --> 01:38:49,280
did not use ground-penetrating radar but

2426
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:53,480
the new owner may thank you sure they're

2427
01:38:58,510 --> 01:38:56,000
moving past the idea of nuts and bolts

2428
01:39:01,630 --> 01:38:58,520
analysis of UFO propulsion and moving

2429
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:01,640
ahead to the idea of consciousness being

2430
01:39:08,410 --> 01:39:06,710
an interactive factor in propelling UFOs

2431
01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:08,420
and considering the fact that every time

2432
01:39:11,530 --> 01:39:09,860
we go to sleep at night our

2433
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:11,540
consciousness leaves is the premise

2434
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:13,370
being this is not just lights in the sky

2435
01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:14,960
and craft this is something else

2436
01:39:18,010 --> 01:39:17,150
that was the reason that study the all

2437
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:18,020
SAP program

2438
01:39:22,750 --> 01:39:19,850
the bass study was so amazing because it

2439
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:22,760
wasn't just looking at flying saucers

2440
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:25,610
and nuts-and-bolts craft it was created

2441
01:39:30,010 --> 01:39:28,460
to look at is there an interaction with

2442
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:30,020
these other phenomena and it was a

2443
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:32,060
that's an amazing thing and it was

2444
01:39:35,770 --> 01:39:33,890
threatening to people it made them

2445
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:35,780
uncomfortable but the fact is that's

2446
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:37,250
what it's probably going to take you

2447
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:38,930
need to look at the big picture that's

2448
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:40,970
what this study was the knids study was

2449
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:43,840
about it's what the bast study was about

2450
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:46,970
2016 I was here and there was a couple

2451
01:39:53,770 --> 01:39:48,890
of guys called the paranormal Rangers

2452
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:53,780
and they were Navajo federal agents john

2453
01:39:59,490 --> 01:39:56,930
dover and stan milford have you spoke

2454
01:40:02,680 --> 01:39:59,500
with them or had any kind of a

2455
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:02,690
collective can i have not you know we I

2456
01:40:06,610 --> 01:40:04,610
was amazed because when we started

2457
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:06,620
working on the book column and I had

2458
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:08,210
reached out to a number tribe and

2459
01:40:13,150 --> 01:40:10,550
including the Navajo the Tribal Council

2460
01:40:14,980 --> 01:40:13,160
tribal historians and nobody wanted to

2461
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:14,990
talk to us about skinwalkers stuff we

2462
01:40:20,110 --> 01:40:18,050
end up getting Anglo professors at

2463
01:40:22,180 --> 01:40:20,120
university professors who had studied

2464
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:22,190
native cultures who are willing to share

2465
01:40:26,770 --> 01:40:24,530
with us their impressions but and then

2466
01:40:28,750 --> 01:40:26,780
it's been seven or eight years all the

2467
01:40:30,430 --> 01:40:28,760
sudden the Navajo police officers come

2468
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:30,440
out there on television talking about it

2469
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:33,170
they deal with skinwalker stuffs Bigfoot

2470
01:40:38,590 --> 01:40:36,560
stuff witches and they take it seriously

2471
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:38,600
because it is serious to their their

2472
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:40,370
constituents so they go out on those

2473
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:42,650
kind of calls I'd love to to interact

2474
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,770
with the Navajo officers and I hope I

2475
01:40:50,050 --> 01:40:47,840
get a chance if somebody here knows them

2476
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,060
I'd love to have a phone number I'll

2477
01:40:53,980 --> 01:40:51,920
call him you have a unique position in

2478
01:40:57,010 --> 01:40:53,990
that you're involved as a really

2479
01:41:00,730 --> 01:40:57,020
successful mass communicator and also

2480
01:41:04,620 --> 01:41:00,740
have this really respected foot in UFO

2481
01:41:08,470 --> 01:41:04,630
and paranormal and I've often wondered

2482
01:41:11,470 --> 01:41:08,480
what's the justification for greater

2483
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:11,480
media not to pick up and communicate the

2484
01:41:15,340 --> 01:41:12,320
things that you're communicating

2485
01:41:17,470 --> 01:41:15,350
especially with what you're saying is

2486
01:41:20,410 --> 01:41:17,480
coming out from this extended research

2487
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:20,420
so what do you hear from your cohorts

2488
01:41:24,820 --> 01:41:22,370
and greater media as how can they

2489
01:41:27,130 --> 01:41:24,830
justify turning a blind eye to all of

2490
01:41:28,930 --> 01:41:27,140
this information it's pretty much the

2491
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:28,940
same it's always been is that it's the

2492
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,220
the giggle factor

2493
01:41:34,170 --> 01:41:32,080
I mean the reason that the Pentagon

2494
01:41:36,090 --> 01:41:34,180
canceled that study same thing nobody

2495
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,100
wants to be a Chris melon wrote a

2496
01:41:40,350 --> 01:41:38,560
Washington Post op-ed piece about nobody

2497
01:41:42,540 --> 01:41:40,360
wants to be the alien guy in the

2498
01:41:44,700 --> 01:41:42,550
Pentagon it does know you no good even

2499
01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:44,710
now after the tick tack and and all this

2500
01:41:48,690 --> 01:41:46,780
stuff has come out pilots don't want to

2501
01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:48,700
report this it does not help their their

2502
01:41:53,250 --> 01:41:50,920
careers and the same is true in my line

2503
01:41:56,900 --> 01:41:53,260
of work I get away with it because I've

2504
01:41:59,250 --> 01:41:56,910
been at it a long time and I was I was a

2505
01:42:02,160 --> 01:41:59,260
had a certain amount of credibility

2506
01:42:04,230 --> 01:42:02,170
before I became the alien guy but I've

2507
01:42:07,170 --> 01:42:04,240
caught nothing but grief about it ever

2508
01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:07,180
since and and I think it's a shame

2509
01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:09,430
because there are legitimate things you

2510
01:42:14,910 --> 01:42:11,500
can write about you know that you can

2511
01:42:17,190 --> 01:42:14,920
have an honest inquiry and you can try

2512
01:42:19,410 --> 01:42:17,200
to separate wheat from chaff and boil it

2513
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,420
down and do good news stories the same

2514
01:42:23,550 --> 01:42:21,280
way the same way I've always approached

2515
01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:23,560
it the same way I would any news story

2516
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:26,920
you know but there it's the giggle

2517
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:28,750
factor keeps people from getting into it

2518
01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:30,850
yeah I am amazed that the New York Times

2519
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:33,490
did that story now they screwed it up a

2520
01:42:39,930 --> 01:42:36,730
little bit but it'll be fixed it'll be

2521
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:39,940
sorted out but I thought that that would

2522
01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:42,370
change the media environment and and for

2523
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:44,620
a while it did suddenly New York Times

2524
01:42:48,060 --> 01:42:46,330
does the story Politico doesn't

2525
01:42:50,220 --> 01:42:48,070
Washington Post does it The New Yorker

2526
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:50,230
magazine some of them are dumping on the

2527
01:42:54,780 --> 01:42:52,030
other media because they got scooped

2528
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:54,790
that that comes with the territory but

2529
01:42:59,880 --> 01:42:57,370
there was a big flurries Fox News is

2530
01:43:04,710 --> 01:42:59,890
Tucker Carlson had all these guys on his

2531
01:43:07,110 --> 01:43:04,720
show multiple times CNN MSNBC even and

2532
01:43:09,570 --> 01:43:07,120
you know so I had high hopes that

2533
01:43:11,190 --> 01:43:09,580
because the New York Times had done it

2534
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:11,200
it would make it acceptable for other

2535
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:12,370
media to do that

2536
01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:14,290
and I think there might be some residual

2537
01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:17,380
effect for that right now I think it may

2538
01:43:22,590 --> 01:43:19,660
have opened up a door for other people

2539
01:43:24,990 --> 01:43:22,600
to pursue this serious journalists to

2540
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:25,000
route to we report it accurately I'm

2541
01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:27,910
hopeful but you know if you're asking

2542
01:43:32,910 --> 01:43:29,020
why it hasn't happened over the years

2543
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:32,920
because the giggle factor ridicule my

2544
01:43:40,050 --> 01:43:36,850
wall at home has the editorial cartoons

2545
01:43:41,970 --> 01:43:40,060
that have been drawn about me over the

2546
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:41,980
years by our state's largest newspaper

2547
01:43:45,770 --> 01:43:44,070
every time somebody's pissed off

2548
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:45,780
about something they bring up UFO stuff

2549
01:43:49,940 --> 01:43:47,970
you know I do a story about Vice cops

2550
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:49,950
being krookodile that's the UFO guy

2551
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:51,840
that's all right and they had these

2552
01:43:56,210 --> 01:43:53,970
cartoons one had me with a butterfly net

2553
01:43:58,760 --> 01:43:56,220
chasing a flying saucer the other one

2554
01:44:01,970 --> 01:43:58,770
was called the marshmallow head

2555
01:44:03,710 --> 01:44:01,980
Chronicles and it was head it had to ET

2556
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:03,720
hitman had come to earth to rub me out

2557
01:44:07,370 --> 01:44:05,400
and they had ray guns and they're

2558
01:44:10,190 --> 01:44:07,380
standing at a gas station

2559
01:44:11,570 --> 01:44:10,200
looking at these two gas pumps of course

2560
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:11,580
they are Earth men but which one is

2561
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,730
George Knapp they said I thought was

2562
01:44:18,290 --> 01:44:16,560
funny I you know I'm in a public

2563
01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:18,300
position I have a sense of humor so I

2564
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:20,760
got the originals there on my wall but

2565
01:44:25,850 --> 01:44:23,970
you know we had these columns when the

2566
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:25,860
first series about Bob Lazar that we did

2567
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:29,360
back in 89 and then another in 1990 and

2568
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:32,310
the it drove the my colleagues in

2569
01:44:36,170 --> 01:44:34,650
journalism crazy because of all the

2570
01:44:38,060 --> 01:44:36,180
public attention that it got it drove

2571
01:44:40,730 --> 01:44:38,070
him crazy so they would take pot shots

2572
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:40,740
every chance they got they had a column

2573
01:44:46,910 --> 01:44:44,250
called they were kidnapped by aliens and

2574
01:44:49,340 --> 01:44:46,920
they it was about alien abduction

2575
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:49,350
stories and the medical experiments that

2576
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:51,510
are done and they dubbed me a grande

2577
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:55,610
mola in the Church of cosmic proctology

2578
01:44:59,840 --> 01:44:58,110
and they had another column the media

2579
01:45:01,700 --> 01:44:59,850
columnist said boy people are rushing

2580
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:01,710
home at night to see short nap stories

2581
01:45:05,540 --> 01:45:03,810
they can't wait to get there not because

2582
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:05,550
they're interested in UFOs but because

2583
01:45:10,220 --> 01:45:07,020
they want to be there when he finally

2584
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:10,230
goes bull goose loony on the air so it

2585
01:45:14,630 --> 01:45:11,690
comes with the territory

2586
01:45:16,220 --> 01:45:14,640
I'm alright with it what bothers me is

2587
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:16,230
the people making those jokes and the

2588
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:17,850
columnist writing that stuff have never

2589
01:45:21,860 --> 01:45:19,890
done one win of their work they haven't

2590
01:45:24,140 --> 01:45:21,870
sat out in area 51 night after night

2591
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:24,150
looking in the sky dodging the security

2592
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:26,010
patrols they haven't read the books have

2593
01:45:29,150 --> 01:45:27,570
an interview the witnesses haven't come

2594
01:45:30,770 --> 01:45:29,160
to events like this and when they do

2595
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:30,780
come to events like this they write the

2596
01:45:35,060 --> 01:45:32,400
same stories look at the people and the

2597
01:45:36,740 --> 01:45:35,070
funny hats and the funny shirts and the

2598
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:36,750
goofy books that they're selling and and

2599
01:45:41,570 --> 01:45:39,840
they they have fun and they et phone

2600
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:41,580
home and where's Elvis and the same

2601
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:43,170
jokes that every reporter has ever

2602
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:48,000
covered I've told get sold hey George

2603
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:49,650
thanks so much for coming I love your

2604
01:45:55,290 --> 01:45:53,250
work me and my friend we actually went

2605
01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:55,300
to Vernal Utah where this game

2606
01:46:00,299 --> 01:45:58,449
Walker ranch was in 2016 we had some

2607
01:46:02,689 --> 01:46:00,309
vacation time wanted to go out there see

2608
01:46:04,859 --> 01:46:02,699
what it was like beautiful place yeah

2609
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:04,869
one of the most interesting things that

2610
01:46:08,580 --> 01:46:06,880
we figured out was the fracking the

2611
01:46:10,620 --> 01:46:08,590
horrible fracking stories and all the

2612
01:46:12,180 --> 01:46:10,630
stillborn births that were happening in

2613
01:46:14,850 --> 01:46:12,190
the area which was a huge story Rolling

2614
01:46:17,549 --> 01:46:14,860
Stones covered it but one of the biggest

2615
01:46:19,770 --> 01:46:17,559
things we found by talking to some of

2616
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:19,780
the locals at the bars some of them were

2617
01:46:26,069 --> 01:46:23,290
definitely native was the fight over the

2618
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:26,079
Indian water rights the reservation

2619
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:27,520
water rights that the Indians had

2620
01:46:33,540 --> 01:46:29,730
apparently treaties had been an old

2621
01:46:36,419 --> 01:46:33,550
agreements had been they have been gone

2622
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:36,429
back on and somewhere he was suggesting

2623
01:46:43,260 --> 01:46:39,940
that there was a curse put on the whites

2624
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:43,270
from that had taken over that land

2625
01:46:47,549 --> 01:46:45,610
because of that can you comment on that

2626
01:46:49,740 --> 01:46:47,559
or have you heard that at all I know

2627
01:46:51,810 --> 01:46:49,750
that the Utes like pretty much every

2628
01:46:53,970 --> 01:46:51,820
other indigenous tribe has have been

2629
01:46:55,470 --> 01:46:53,980
screwed over multiple times and treaties

2630
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:55,480
don't work the paper they're written on

2631
01:47:00,180 --> 01:46:57,730
I'm not up on the current water battles

2632
01:47:01,819 --> 01:47:00,190
but the the lands that they have of

2633
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:01,829
shrunk and shrunk and shrunk

2634
01:47:06,959 --> 01:47:04,090
occasionally they've expanded again but

2635
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:06,969
there are clashes cultural clashes and

2636
01:47:11,310 --> 01:47:08,770
people take advantage of them every

2637
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:11,320
chance they get I I don't know about the

2638
01:47:14,399 --> 01:47:13,030
curse on the water wouldn't surprise me

2639
01:47:18,740 --> 01:47:14,409
though right thank you

2640
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:18,750
sure so considering the the severity of

2641
01:47:24,359 --> 01:47:21,610
the cattle mutilations and the fact that

2642
01:47:27,419 --> 01:47:24,369
it sounds like quite a few dogs were

2643
01:47:31,709 --> 01:47:27,429
killed why do you think an alien

2644
01:47:35,609 --> 01:47:31,719
presence and or spirits or whatever it

2645
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:35,619
is wouldn't do the same harm to humans

2646
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:37,840
you know people on the ranch that they

2647
01:47:43,410 --> 01:47:41,110
are taking their time and toying with on

2648
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:43,420
this land yeah it's an interesting

2649
01:47:48,419 --> 01:47:46,030
question that we pondered for a long

2650
01:47:51,060 --> 01:47:48,429
time is why didn't they carve up people

2651
01:47:52,799 --> 01:47:51,070
right and they didn't I know there are

2652
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:52,809
stories about it that people died out

2653
01:48:02,010 --> 01:47:59,520
whatever this intelligence is it

2654
01:48:04,620 --> 01:48:02,020
seemingly differentiates between us and

2655
01:48:08,910 --> 01:48:04,630
other species it didn't kill any humans

2656
01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:08,920
but it killed dogs cats cows it cut up

2657
01:48:15,090 --> 01:48:13,540
forces it it mutilated skunks and and

2658
01:48:18,180 --> 01:48:15,100
other creatures out there at messed with

2659
01:48:20,490 --> 01:48:18,190
birds it's it it it draws a line

2660
01:48:22,650 --> 01:48:20,500
somewhere I guess I'm glad that know

2661
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:22,660
people have been carved up but I think

2662
01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:24,550
it looks at what we do to animals and

2663
01:48:28,380 --> 01:48:26,860
figure it must be ok I was wondering

2664
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:28,390
that about the cattle especially I mean

2665
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:30,610
we eat the cattle and they have just

2666
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:32,050
finished tagging the cat there's nothing

2667
01:48:36,780 --> 01:48:33,489
aliens have done to cattle that we

2668
01:48:38,700 --> 01:48:36,790
haven't done ten times over so but it

2669
01:48:41,729 --> 01:48:38,710
does seem a tiny bit egotistical that

2670
01:48:43,110 --> 01:48:41,739
that they are differentiating humans

2671
01:48:45,660 --> 01:48:43,120
which is integral I think they have an

2672
01:48:48,180 --> 01:48:45,670
interest in us yeah I I hope it's a

2673
01:48:50,130 --> 01:48:48,190
hopeful interest that they hope to bring

2674
01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:50,140
us along and we can join the cosmic

2675
01:48:54,990 --> 01:48:52,120
community at some point and we'd be

2676
01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:55,000
ready for it or not ready now sure have

2677
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:58,330
you are you aware of any efforts

2678
01:49:02,610 --> 01:48:58,960
underway

2679
01:49:06,150 --> 01:49:02,620
amongst the from within the you tribe

2680
01:49:10,830 --> 01:49:06,160
and the Navajo Nation to make any amends

2681
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:10,840
from what may I'm seeing might be some

2682
01:49:16,979 --> 01:49:13,050
of the source of this conflict that's

2683
01:49:18,830 --> 01:49:16,989
focused on skinwalker ranch not that I

2684
01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:18,840
know of

2685
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:21,790
they're uh they're kind of they're kind

2686
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:23,050
of afraid of the place they don't mess

2687
01:49:26,100 --> 01:49:24,730
with it you know it's I know that there

2688
01:49:27,419 --> 01:49:26,110
have been tribal members that have

2689
01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:27,429
worked on the property over the years

2690
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:29,020
but in general they leave it alone and

2691
01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:31,570
they it's it's very difficult to pierce

2692
01:49:36,270 --> 01:49:33,070
the veil and get them to talk about it

2693
01:49:38,669 --> 01:49:36,280
Jeremy is and and I and have made some

2694
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:38,679
progress over the last year we've been

2695
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:40,570
allowed on tribal property that was

2696
01:49:44,220 --> 01:49:42,730
never open to us before this place

2697
01:49:46,290 --> 01:49:44,230
called dark Canyon this is where

2698
01:49:48,150 --> 01:49:46,300
skinwalker Ridge is the path of the

2699
01:49:49,890 --> 01:49:48,160
skinwalker dark canyon is where it

2700
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,900
supposedly lives and they let us go in

2701
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:51,760
there with cameras and and have been

2702
01:49:55,919 --> 01:49:54,010
very accommodating we've talked to some

2703
01:49:57,570 --> 01:49:55,929
of their police officers who have that I

2704
01:49:59,520 --> 01:49:57,580
told you about the hitch-hiker effect

2705
01:50:02,459 --> 01:49:59,530
some of those officers have had those

2706
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:02,469
experiences themselves and so they are

2707
01:50:07,110 --> 01:50:05,110
they are keenly aware of the phenomena I

2708
01:50:08,700 --> 01:50:07,120
don't think they have any interest in

2709
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:08,710
trying to reach an accommodation with

2710
01:50:13,530 --> 01:50:10,810
what's on the ranch because they've it's

2711
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,540
everywhere in the unit of base and it's

2712
01:50:16,919 --> 01:50:15,280
not just there it's everywhere it just

2713
01:50:19,770 --> 01:50:16,929
happens to be the skinwalker ranch is

2714
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,780
the place that was studied the most it's

2715
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:22,000
it's an interesting experiment

2716
01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:24,340
the needs guys discussed during the

2717
01:50:30,810 --> 01:50:27,880
study could you go out throw a dart in a

2718
01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:30,820
map and then go there and intensely

2719
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:33,100
study it and find the same kind of stuff

2720
01:50:38,370 --> 01:50:35,760
the same kind of stories and experiences

2721
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:38,380
everywhere if you just looked hard

2722
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:42,610
enough maybe you could I don't know but

2723
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:44,650
no I as far as I know the native the

2724
01:50:48,660 --> 01:50:46,330
Utes are not trying to reach an

2725
01:50:50,130 --> 01:50:48,670
accommodation with what's the ramble I

2726
01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:50,140
was reading some reports about

2727
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:52,840
skinwalker ranch the people who were

2728
01:50:57,960 --> 01:50:56,170
there were having abduction experiences

2729
01:51:01,730 --> 01:50:57,970
that you really didn't touch on very

2730
01:51:05,010 --> 01:51:01,740
much at one point my understanding is

2731
01:51:07,230 --> 01:51:05,020
the grades that were visiting often one

2732
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:07,240
of their arms got chopped off and they

2733
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:09,730
were looking into that do you know do

2734
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:11,590
you have any insight on that at all

2735
01:51:16,290 --> 01:51:14,710
that didn't happen if it did it's been

2736
01:51:17,970 --> 01:51:16,300
kept real secret I don't I don't

2737
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:17,980
remember them ever seeing any gray is

2738
01:51:22,770 --> 01:51:20,530
there and as far as the abduction

2739
01:51:24,420 --> 01:51:22,780
experiences none of the the ranch family

2740
01:51:26,490 --> 01:51:24,430
that we're talking about had those

2741
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:26,500
experiences there are a lot of weird

2742
01:51:30,570 --> 01:51:28,330
stuff and there's some missing time and

2743
01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:30,580
like I said they had that scoop marks on

2744
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:31,900
their thumbs that are sometimes

2745
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:34,960
indicative of an abduction no conscious

2746
01:51:39,390 --> 01:51:37,060
memories of an abduction there was one

2747
01:51:41,130 --> 01:51:39,400
for the family next door and the story

2748
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:41,140
is that these two teenage girls are

2749
01:51:45,660 --> 01:51:43,210
coming home at night they drive right

2750
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,670
past their house down which is on the

2751
01:51:50,340 --> 01:51:47,440
same road as that dirt road that leads

2752
01:51:51,780 --> 01:51:50,350
to the ranch they drive past their own

2753
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:51,790
property

2754
01:51:55,890 --> 01:51:54,250
toward the ranch and there's a police

2755
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:55,900
car behind them or what they think is a

2756
01:51:59,820 --> 01:51:57,280
police car because of the flashing

2757
01:52:01,380 --> 01:51:59,830
red-and-blue lights and they keep on

2758
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:01,390
going the next thing they know they're

2759
01:52:08,100 --> 01:52:04,960
in their car up on skinwalker Ridge snow

2760
01:52:10,650 --> 01:52:08,110
road up there it's the next morning it

2761
01:52:13,790 --> 01:52:10,660
wasn't a cop car behind them that's the

2762
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:13,800
only abduction experience that I've ever

2763
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:19,530
heard directly but sorry thank you sure

2764
01:52:27,930 --> 01:52:24,130
hi I had a question about have you

2765
01:52:31,860 --> 01:52:27,940
talked to bob lazar about skinwalker

2766
01:52:33,450 --> 01:52:31,870
ranch and if so what's his opinion I've

2767
01:52:34,530 --> 01:52:33,460
shared with him some of these stories

2768
01:52:36,650 --> 01:52:34,540
and Jeremy

2769
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,660
has been working on a project with Bob

2770
01:52:42,540 --> 01:52:38,560
over the last couple of months

2771
01:52:44,460 --> 01:52:42,550
and has told him some of it he has

2772
01:52:45,780 --> 01:52:44,470
enough faith in us to know that there

2773
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:45,790
must be something to it or we would

2774
01:52:50,820 --> 01:52:47,890
still be working on it but it's not his

2775
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:50,830
his deal he's totally focused on his

2776
01:52:57,210 --> 01:52:53,530
business and his wife and his life in

2777
01:52:59,280 --> 01:52:57,220
Michigan and as as we have said I have

2778
01:53:00,840 --> 01:52:59,290
said many times in public presentations

2779
01:53:03,690 --> 01:53:00,850
he'd he'd just as soon leave all this

2780
01:53:07,890 --> 01:53:03,700
stuff behind Jeremy might be the person

2781
01:53:10,500 --> 01:53:07,900
who asked that if you're around he's had

2782
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:10,510
more direct contact with Bob in the last

2783
01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:12,850
couple of months on this subject so ask

2784
01:53:17,850 --> 01:53:15,460
him i beginning of your presentation i

2785
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:17,860
think you were touching on the the

2786
01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:19,330
previous family who put a bunch of

2787
01:53:24,510 --> 01:53:21,460
heavy-duty locks on one of the houses

2788
01:53:26,130 --> 01:53:24,520
and i think your wording was to either

2789
01:53:28,260 --> 01:53:26,140
keep something out or keep something in

2790
01:53:30,060 --> 01:53:28,270
and i don't think he ever circled back

2791
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:30,070
to that i was just curious what that was

2792
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:32,410
about well they were curious about why

2793
01:53:36,420 --> 01:53:33,970
there'd be locks on both sides of the

2794
01:53:38,730 --> 01:53:36,430
doors why there were locks on both side

2795
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,740
the doors inside and then when they were

2796
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,960
there among in the plethora of things of

2797
01:53:44,030 --> 01:53:42,400
weird stuff that was happening as doors

2798
01:53:47,310 --> 01:53:44,040
opening and closing on their own and

2799
01:53:49,110 --> 01:53:47,320
things coming in and out so the people

2800
01:53:51,660 --> 01:53:49,120
who had been there before we're trying

2801
01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:51,670
to keep something out for trying to

2802
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:53,260
protect themselves and headlocks all

2803
01:53:57,770 --> 01:53:55,840
over the place and everyone who's lived

2804
01:54:01,050 --> 01:53:57,780
there since has had the same experience

2805
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:01,060
doors and windows opening up and heavy

2806
01:54:05,670 --> 01:54:04,450
footsteps outside and inside and i don't

2807
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:05,680
think you're gonna stop him with locks

2808
01:54:11,870 --> 01:54:08,020
but that was what they tried two part

2809
01:54:16,110 --> 01:54:11,880
question harry reid's infamous black eye

2810
01:54:18,530 --> 01:54:16,120
anything to do with this nothing no I

2811
01:54:22,500 --> 01:54:18,540
you know I know in Harry Reid since my

2812
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:22,510
own and I believed the story that he

2813
01:54:28,110 --> 01:54:24,370
told that he had an accident there he's

2814
01:54:30,780 --> 01:54:28,120
right now by the way he had surgery on

2815
01:54:33,150 --> 01:54:30,790
Monday on May 2nd I should tell you that

2816
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:33,160
I was on my way to his home in Henderson

2817
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:35,410
with another guy to talk about this

2818
01:54:39,630 --> 01:54:37,570
subject he wanted a debrief because he's

2819
01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:39,640
he's actively trying to move something

2820
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:41,740
forward using what influence he has left

2821
01:54:48,220 --> 01:54:46,270
to reignite a study not only of UFOs but

2822
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:48,230
the other surrounding phenomena

2823
01:54:51,940 --> 01:54:50,210
what Harry Reid did when the story

2824
01:54:54,580 --> 01:54:51,950
eventually comes out about how far he

2825
01:54:58,120 --> 01:54:54,590
went to initiate this program and to

2826
01:54:59,229 --> 01:54:58,130
protect it I think you're gonna I don't

2827
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,239
know if you'll like Harry Reid or not

2828
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,760
but I think you'll be impressed by it by

2829
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:03,440
how many times he went to bat for it

2830
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:06,650
right now may 2nd I was on my way to his

2831
01:55:10,750 --> 01:55:09,110
house and he calls me and says we're

2832
01:55:13,570 --> 01:55:10,760
canceling the meeting I just came from

2833
01:55:16,090 --> 01:55:13,580
the doctor and it was a routine

2834
01:55:17,530 --> 01:55:16,100
screening and they found something so

2835
01:55:19,630 --> 01:55:17,540
we'll have to reschedule it and then

2836
01:55:22,180 --> 01:55:19,640
that day he had an MRI and they found

2837
01:55:24,910 --> 01:55:22,190
cancer on his pancreas now pancreatic

2838
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:24,920
cancer is pretty bad so Monday he had

2839
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:28,520
surgery he's at Johns Hopkins University

2840
01:55:33,130 --> 01:55:30,800
if you've read about pancreatic cancer

2841
01:55:35,140 --> 01:55:33,140
you know what the chances are but I'm

2842
01:55:37,420 --> 01:55:35,150
hoping that he hangs on and bounces back

2843
01:55:39,450 --> 01:55:37,430
because he'd be a valuable ally and

2844
01:55:42,220 --> 01:55:39,460
trying to get this thing going again

2845
01:55:44,140 --> 01:55:42,230
depending on for all the talk about

2846
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:44,150
leaking this and leaking that and they

2847
01:55:50,140 --> 01:55:47,690
want disclosure and acclamation they are

2848
01:55:52,180 --> 01:55:50,150
not our friends on this issue and they

2849
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:52,190
don't want this study and they don't

2850
01:55:56,380 --> 01:55:54,530
want documents to be released if any of

2851
01:55:57,610 --> 01:55:56,390
you have filed FOIA is to try to get

2852
01:55:59,530 --> 01:55:57,620
some of this information that I'm

2853
01:56:03,130 --> 01:55:59,540
talking about then you know what the

2854
01:56:03,790 --> 01:56:03,140
reaction has been they don't want to

2855
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:03,800
talk about it

2856
01:56:08,740 --> 01:56:05,390
and they don't want to deal with it and

2857
01:56:10,180 --> 01:56:08,750
it's myopic and and foolish because

2858
01:56:11,620 --> 01:56:10,190
these things are real they're here

2859
01:56:13,450 --> 01:56:11,630
they're interacting with they're

2860
01:56:16,090 --> 01:56:13,460
demonstrating technological superiority

2861
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:16,100
over our most advanced systems and

2862
01:56:21,460 --> 01:56:19,010
sensors and somebody needs to find out

2863
01:56:23,530 --> 01:56:21,470
how these things work and whether we can

2864
01:56:25,660 --> 01:56:23,540
build them and to make damn sure it's

2865
01:56:27,220 --> 01:56:25,670
not the Russians or Chinese or Iranians

2866
01:56:29,770 --> 01:56:27,230
or North Koreans that are building them

2867
01:56:33,970 --> 01:56:29,780
first I'm wondering whether you see a

2868
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:33,980
possible intersection between the

2869
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:36,170
phenomena that is seemingly represented

2870
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:40,010
by this location and a phenomenon that

2871
01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:44,000
you also report visa vie mutual

2872
01:56:52,930 --> 01:56:47,320
acquaintance of ours david Milady's

2873
01:56:55,180 --> 01:56:52,940
maybe maybe and I wanted to tell the

2874
01:56:58,060 --> 01:56:55,190
Dave this before I told it to an

2875
01:57:00,910 --> 01:56:58,070
audience but yeah that that top that

2876
01:57:03,070 --> 01:57:00,920
that question has come up whether

2877
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:03,080
there is a connection between the

2878
01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:06,320
paranormal type stuff poltergeist stuff

2879
01:57:11,860 --> 01:57:09,920
weird phenomena that the ranch had

2880
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:11,870
experienced and the disappearances of

2881
01:57:16,209 --> 01:57:13,610
people in national parks and national

2882
01:57:21,250 --> 01:57:16,219
forests and the answer I was given as

2883
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:21,260
maybe that that's kind of a chilling

2884
01:57:26,110 --> 01:57:24,110
little thought there but maybe and it's

2885
01:57:28,660 --> 01:57:26,120
I don't know how far somebody has looked

2886
01:57:30,100 --> 01:57:28,670
into that but I am hoping to get more

2887
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:30,110
information about it and I'll let you

2888
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:32,719
know I'll let him know yeah yeah there's

2889
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:34,370
seemingly something the same yet

2890
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:36,560
obviously not the same but sort of the

2891
01:57:42,100 --> 01:57:40,250
same yeah enigmatika intelligence I mean

2892
01:57:43,540 --> 01:57:42,110
it you know those people disappear and

2893
01:57:45,070 --> 01:57:43,550
some of them most of them don't come

2894
01:57:46,479 --> 01:57:45,080
back that didn't happen on the ranch

2895
01:57:48,820 --> 01:57:46,489
right but it doesn't mean it can't

2896
01:57:50,410 --> 01:57:48,830
happen there and maybe it's more than

2897
01:57:52,959 --> 01:57:50,420
one it's more than one intelligence

2898
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:52,969
maybe were the the cosmic drive-in movie

2899
01:57:56,620 --> 01:57:55,010
theater were so weird and strange that

2900
01:57:58,450 --> 01:57:56,630
they come from all over the place and

2901
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:58,460
other dimensions to check us out and

2902
01:58:02,830 --> 01:57:59,840
they have different motives and

2903
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:02,840
different interests don't know it's it

2904
01:58:07,510 --> 01:58:04,880
sure is fun to speculate and pursue it

2905
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:07,520
though yeah yes hey George

2906
01:58:13,479 --> 01:58:09,290
I noticed after the New York Times

2907
01:58:15,850 --> 01:58:13,489
article came out the following weeks you

2908
01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:15,860
had some stories where you had been

2909
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:18,080
interviewing Lewis Alexander and I

2910
01:58:22,959 --> 01:58:20,690
noticed that in the interviews it

2911
01:58:24,669 --> 01:58:22,969
appears it was from the same interview

2912
01:58:27,729 --> 01:58:24,679
he was in the same clothes as the same

2913
01:58:29,590 --> 01:58:27,739
location and each time it clarified

2914
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:29,600
something from the New York Times

2915
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:32,570
article so I'm curious and you had kind

2916
01:58:35,919 --> 01:58:33,710
of mentioned that there's more

2917
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:35,929
clarification coming is some of that

2918
01:58:39,220 --> 01:58:37,610
coming from that interview session like

2919
01:58:41,110 --> 01:58:39,230
do you have more stories coming from

2920
01:58:42,700 --> 01:58:41,120
that time I hope so

2921
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:42,710
I mean we did a really long interview

2922
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:44,570
here's the deal on this New York Times

2923
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:47,330
story is the and I haven't said this

2924
01:58:54,220 --> 01:58:50,210
before so I'm aware of the the bath

2925
01:58:56,050 --> 01:58:54,230
study and the AUSA and a tip and all

2926
01:58:57,820 --> 01:58:56,060
that stuff because I was allowed to be a

2927
01:58:59,560 --> 01:58:57,830
fly on the wall while that stuff was

2928
01:59:00,100 --> 01:58:59,570
underway but I couldn't tell anybody

2929
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:00,110
about it

2930
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:03,410
so when the word comes out Lou Elizondo

2931
01:59:06,669 --> 01:59:05,330
comes forward with Tom DeLonge and in

2932
01:59:08,500 --> 01:59:06,679
October great

2933
01:59:10,450 --> 01:59:08,510
good that's moving forward that's great

2934
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:10,460
it's out of the closet a little bit and

2935
01:59:14,220 --> 01:59:13,730
then so I did some stories about it and

2936
01:59:15,630 --> 01:59:14,230
I have

2937
01:59:17,370 --> 01:59:15,640
more than I had planned to do and then

2938
01:59:20,790 --> 01:59:17,380
they I am told the New York Times is

2939
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:20,800
going to break this thing and I called

2940
01:59:26,670 --> 01:59:23,170
up all of the people who were involved

2941
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:26,680
in this so well why is the New York time

2942
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:28,000
to get to break it I've been sitting on

2943
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:29,890
this thing for five or six years I want

2944
01:59:34,260 --> 01:59:32,410
to do the story and they implored me

2945
01:59:36,210 --> 01:59:34,270
they said that the New York Times if

2946
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:36,220
somebody else breaks it before they do

2947
01:59:41,490 --> 01:59:38,470
that they'll just cancel it and they

2948
01:59:44,220 --> 01:59:41,500
implored me that if I would hold off I

2949
01:59:46,710 --> 01:59:44,230
would get access to certain things and

2950
01:59:48,330 --> 01:59:46,720
interviews it was important for the New

2951
01:59:50,190 --> 01:59:48,340
York Times to do it because and they put

2952
01:59:52,020 --> 01:59:50,200
this as gently as they could I am NOT

2953
01:59:53,790 --> 01:59:52,030
the New York Times and I would heartily

2954
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:53,800
agree with them on that so it was

2955
01:59:58,140 --> 01:59:56,050
important for The Times to break it so

2956
02:00:00,300 --> 01:59:58,150
that it changed the media environment so

2957
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:00,310
that other news organizations would go

2958
02:00:05,130 --> 02:00:01,690
ahead and pursue it and that's how it

2959
02:00:08,010 --> 02:00:05,140
worked out so yeah I've had a lengthy

2960
02:00:11,340 --> 02:00:08,020
interviews with senator Reed and Lou and

2961
02:00:14,220 --> 02:00:11,350
other people and we parsed it out it's

2962
02:00:15,510 --> 02:00:14,230
not part of some big scheme where I'm

2963
02:00:18,930 --> 02:00:15,520
working with the government it's that I

2964
02:00:20,940 --> 02:00:18,940
work for klas TV my audience with all

2965
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:20,950
due respect is the TV viewers in Las

2966
02:00:26,820 --> 02:00:24,730
Vegas so that's how I write for I don't

2967
02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:26,830
write for ufologists I write for them

2968
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:30,480
and we have what we call sweeps periods

2969
02:00:37,650 --> 02:00:34,570
periods of the year when ratings really

2970
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:37,660
count when my employer counts on me to

2971
02:00:41,010 --> 02:00:39,370
produce stories that are a great

2972
02:00:43,950 --> 02:00:41,020
interest to the general public so that

2973
02:00:47,190 --> 02:00:43,960
we can make money on advertising so you

2974
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:47,200
some will see a plot in this that I'm

2975
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:48,850
just dishing it out a little piece at a

2976
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:50,890
time as part of the evil cabal

2977
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:53,370
government or something or acclimation I

2978
02:00:57,930 --> 02:00:55,930
see it as I'm doing my job for my

2979
02:01:00,690 --> 02:00:57,940
employer and for the viewers of Las

2980
02:01:05,310 --> 02:01:00,700
Vegas so I have spread out some stories

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02:01:08,740 --> 02:01:05,320
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